And what about the people that are already detained there? Have they been returned? Has Homan provided any evidence of their guilt? Have they even been criminally charged with anything? I’m not seeing how this is anything other than a test run for disappearing Trump’s “enemies”.
I think we have to accept that America is disappearing citizens and only some people are saying that it shouldn’t be happening. If we’re being honest, the President is openly threatening to disappear more people such as anti-Tesla vandals.
Were any of the people on these flights citizens? Thought they were all undocumented immigrants.
“First they came for the undocumented immigrants…”
Regardless of your thought process on whether this is a slippery slope or not, it’s either true or untrue that this involves citizens.
At other points in history we’ve refused immigrants and sent them back with little more than a cursory examination.
Rubio has said that El Salvador is willing to take US citizens, but my understanding is that we are not yet doing so, and Rubio has acknowledged that there exist legal hurdles for sending citizens to El Salvador.
Just a reminder to the privileged.
Yup. Anyone who lives in the 21st century in the USA is definitely privileged beyond the dreams of most people most centuries in most countries… despite the actions of any president.
I’m less worried we will refuse asylum seekers and more worried we will send them to El Salvador to be enslaved and tortured until they die.
It’s one thing to lock the border and deport the kids. It’s another to lock them in a dark room and break their bones. I don’t want to go down that road.
Good point. We aren’t deporting people to El Salvador, we are sending them to be confined in a high security prison. A prison that the US is paying for, but because it is in a different country, we can pretend to be unaware of what happens there.
That is fair. Disappeared US citizens is only a conjecture at this point. We know that the US is fine with deporting US citizens (U.S. citizen child recovering from brain cancer deported to Mexico with undocumented parents, Trump’s mass deportations could split 4 million mixed-status families. How one is getting ready.) and we know that people are being disappeared out of the United States without their names being released, and often seemingly without criminal charge.
We have many accounts of citizens being swept up and detained by ICE, and it seems improbable that citizens haven’t been caught up in disappearings, even if by accident.
However, there’s a statistical possibility that citizens are not being disappeared. I think we’ll find out otherwise soon, but I could be wrong.
As far as I know, there were no citizens. They definitely weren’t all undocumented though, as at least some legally applied for asylum and their claims were working their way through the court system.
Here’s one story:
Here’s another:
These 2 at least were following the rules. I’m sure others were too. Deporting them without hearing their asylum claims would be one thing, but sending anyone to a prison with no legal recourse is nuts IMO.
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There are all sorts of problems and potential future problems with what Trump has done. Those are distinct from whether or not he is stopping the activity based on a judges order.
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If they’d been given a hearing and legal representation, we would know if they were citizens, legal documented aliens, or undocumented immigrants.
And if they’d just been deported, it wouldn’t be a huge deal. They could pursue their case from wherever they landed. But they weren’t just deported, they were locked in a barbaric prison system, one that advertises its barbarism.
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“Don’t give me facts! I have my own facts!!”
Also, obligatory “Die Bart Die” tattoo.
wasn’t the constitution specifically designed such that the president can’t take too much power?
this makes the founding fathers look like a bunch of dummies
A bit chauvinistic, eh? I expect there are many people in many other countries who feel just as strong about living in their country rather than in the USA.
The founding fathers never envisioned a party like the MAGA folks.
While their main worry was having a tyranical religious overlord (knock on wood) in charge of things, they never thought the population at large would be stupid enough to cheer such a thing on.
That was the “most countries”… I am aware there are some Canadians who feel blessed to be in Canada rather than the US, or anywhere else (and same for some other first-world countries). Although I do personally know people on TN visas who want to be in the US, so it doesn’t always go that way.
I did not intend chauvinism, just gratitude for personal circumstances. I’m sure Canadians feel gratitude for their personal circumstances too. Although don’t you guys ever feel the cold? 
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Duly noted.
I would rather be skiing in BC in winter than sweating in Florida. I am not a hot weather guy. And BC summers beat American summers for comfort. I might feel differently if I had grown up in a warmer climate, of course!
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