Rand Paul single handedly delays Ukraine aid package. Won’t stop it as it has wide spread bi-partisan support but he did muck it up a bit.
Rand “Putin’s mailman” Paul. That Rand Paul?
Rand “gotta exercise at the gym despite testing positive for COVID” Paul.
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Rand “celebrate 4th of July in Russia” Paul
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Hasn’t been anything posted on this thread in a while. When a NYT op ed came out calling Russia a fascist state, the resonse wasn’t to contradict the claim, or claim the the United States was fascist but rather to claim that Trump and his MAGA supporters are fascists. This is the first honest assessment I’ve seen in the Russian media.
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No need to deny that Russia is a fascist state.
Was surprised by the Whataboutism, though, of a person no longer in charge of his wannabe-fascist state.
If Putin wins, would he be remembered in history as the Russian Abraham Lincoln?
It does seem like a Russian victory is likely now. It might just be hanging onto Donbas, Crimea, and other recent gains in the East and South, or it might include grabbing even more territory. I don’t think it necessarily means complete defeat for Ukraine, but I imagine a big chunk of their country will become part of Russia.
How are you defining this?
Lincoln was for the slaves; not Nazi’s.
Are you thinking Eisenhower?
and I wonder how that will play out with sanctions . . .
I imagine Russia will be a pariah state for many years
Well let’s hope. It didn’t happen after Crimea.
That’s one of the reasons why we’re here again.
I hope so.
But, from Putin’s point of view, he’ll rebuild supply chains with China, India, and other countries. He will have less of those dangerous Western ideas of free speech, opposition parties, new ideas, etc.
At the same time, the West is stuck spending a trillion dollars rebuilding Ukraine so the Western countries can convince the Ukrainian refugees to go home.
Not his ideal outcome, but not too bad, either.
Hey man plenty of people didn’t want to be part of the Union which is why they seceded in the first place. And they fought viciously to try to stay independent. The victors write history so the APUSH curriculum tends to view the whole Lincoln reuniting the country thing as a good thing. Had the Confederacy won the textbooks would have celebrated how their founding fathers Davis and Lee fought for their freedom and slavery and they’d have a holiday to commemorate it and all that jazz.
Whoever wins this war gets to write history. And I’m saying if Putin wins he can write it so that he takes the place of Russian Abraham Lincoln. He can pick whatever reason as to why it was justified.
I wonder if the US claim that Putin has cancer is valid and from his view this is him trying to play Imperialist for the history books. I don’t think he’s as focused on costing the west resources as much as painting the map his country’s color.
While you’re right in that Putin can “write” what he wants, but in this day and age, I doubt that anyone outside of Russia is going to remember him in that sort of light.
Some key differences in Russia’s case:
- Honest Abe didn’t fire first.
- No one had officially recognized the Confederacy as a separate, sovereign nation.
- In fact, past Russian gov’t acknowledged their satellite states as “independent”. (IIRC, this was a political move to show “external” support for a Communist gov’t.)
- While Abe’s principle goal was the preservation of the Union, he is remembered and celebrated for ending slavery.
However, I think you could have an argument for this parallel with the situation between China and Taiwan.
Interesting perspective by Macron:
He’s right. The more you humiliate Russia the more extreme the next leader is gonna be. Someone even worse then Putin would be no bueno.