Not to mention the difficulty of fighting an enemy that doesn’t exist [/red]
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Yes a hurricane retaining that kind of strength into Cincinnati is quite rare, though maybe this is the start of a trend. After all “hundred year event” have started to become quite a bit more common.
But my post on Trump that started this was about him in Georgia, you know on the gulf coast where Hurricanes are actually kind of common particularly in peak hurricane season which runs mid August to mid October.
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Again, the wind speed itself is likely a lot less unusual in the area than it is both the timing (while the trees are covered in foliage) and direction (from the E-NE) that caused the damage - those are both certainly unique to the hurricane. We otherwise have similar force winds every winter in many places across the country.
I am not sure if Miami sees that kind of wind outside of a tropical cyclone.
There was an interesting article (to me, at least) on this in the NYT, link below with no paywall. They mention something called the ‘brown ocean effect’ that may have contributed here.
Toilets at Mar-A-Lago over flowing again?
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This is why you don’t flush classified documents.
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Do you think he went through this process?
No… that’s not normal.
And the wind was coming from the south. The storm first hit the gulf coast of Florida near the panhandle and moved north. The Atlantic coast fared far better than their inland brethren. Like Asheville, NC was worse than Charlotte (which is further east).
I mean, probably these storms will become more normal but they’re not currently normal in Ohio.
I am not claiming a tropical system that far north with that intensity is a regular event.
What I am claiming is that the wind intensity, from any type of weather system, in that area, is a regular event. Less destructive for the reasons I already explained.
This almost certainly produced similar strength winds across the midwest as Helene, but it likely did much less damage.
My brother texted me this on January 13.
He commented about the cold but not the wind. 
The kids were excited to get to play in the snow. Nothing about 72 hour power outages, trees falling on houses, shingles blowing off roofs or any of that.
And maybe trees without leaves are less likely to topple over than ones with leaves, but I don’t think the foliage on the trees protects the shingles on people’s roofs. And I’d assume evergreen trees weighted down by snow are actually MORE likely to fall over.
nah - those things bend like crazy
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You think they’re more likely to fall over when they’re not covered with snow than when they are in otherwise like conditions?
Anyway, I’m going to just let this go.
My family says they’ve never seen anything like this before and the damage is way more than anything they can recall. I’m going to take their word for it over TP’s speculations.
Feel free to continue saying this is normal.
i think they are more likely to fall over when covered in snow than not covered. most likely if covered in rain that rapidly freezes then weighted w wet snow then snap. but pine trees are never the ones i have had to clean up. the hardwood types are the ones that snap and fall and ruin wires IME
True, freezing rain would be worse than snow.
Yeah the storm was unusual but not unique. I think wiki lists at least 10 Hurricanes that hit Ohio as tropical storm. And another article listed 5 tropical storms since 1980.
But it looks like 3 of them have hit in some capacity since 2019 now.
So yeah they seem rare but possibly not as rare going forward.
Trump gets confused by an Iran question and instead thinks his declared buddy Kim Jong Un is trying to kill him.
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That’s pretty short clip. Doesn’t show the question.
https://www.wunderground.com/history/monthly/us/oh/cincinnati/KLUK/date/2024-1
Jan 13 had a max wind speed of 33 and average of 19.5
The max gust for January is listed as 46.
https://www.wunderground.com/history/monthly/us/oh/cincinnati/KLUK/date/2024-9
Sep 27 had a max wind speed of 30 and average of 15.9.
The max gust for September is listed as 64. We can assume this happened during Helene.
So the answer is complicated. A gust is a sudden wind for a short period of time - under 20 seconds. The max winds to be a maximum sustained wind which is a 2 minute average. This is the headline wind measure of hurricanes.
Something that is obvious, but worth noting is that you can’t see wind, but you can see trees swaying, and branches on the ground after a storm, which are the observations you have heard about. The storm was absolutely a rare event, but it is the combination of both the wind and when it happened that produced the damage.
Anecdotally, one of the worst storms for damage and power outages in my area was a freak storm that looked a lot like your typical spring storm squall line, but rather than coming in from the West like 99% of storms, it came in from the north east. It was in no way the strongest storm of the year, but many people lost power for weeks. Tree branches are regularly stressed and thinned out by winds from the West, but are usually untested by similar winds from the opposite direction.
Looking at the storm track from Helene, it looks like the center stalled out in KY, so that is consistent with the wind coming from the South coming around counterclokcwise from the low. That would also be a reason why damage was significant.
That is a darndest thing.
Are you a Republican?