There is no military reason why this operation needs to be rushed.
Where are the folks in Gaza supposed to go?
They are literally penned in, so the decision to keep up the bombardment is political mostly.
I also have the suspicion that Bibi is using the situation to inflame the response beyond what is necessary. He is looking for a way out that still allows him to retain some degree of power when this is all over.
Whatever countermeasure they choose militarily, I would hope they stop bullshit that has nothing to do with Hamas, such as kicking Palestinians out of their family homes and gifting them to Israeli citizens. (and charging them legal fees for doing so.)
Iām wildly unqualified in military strategy but Iām pretty sure Israel is making no attempt to help innocent Palestinians.
No attempt to help. You men like them NOT using door knocker rounds, or evacuation phone calls to building residents, or precision munitions, or multichannel requests for civilians to evacuate the high conflict area? Versus say Hamas literally preventing civilians from leaving northern Gaza, placing launch sites and munitions storage in schools and near hospitals, stealing 24.000 gallons of fuel from UNRWA.
Waitā¦
What is really worrying is that the hard right settlers in the West Bank are now actively attacking (and killing) the Palestinians living there. They then proceed to take their land (this is obviously illegal).
Biden spoke about this recently because its getting out of control. Gaza is only one part of the current conflagration. The West Bank is the other.
The problems in that area of the world pretty much boil down to the behavior of the hard right settlers. Bibi caters to them in order to maintain himself in power, but the consequence of this is the settlers actively attack (and kill) Palestinians and push them out of their homes. The reaction to this (on the Palestinian side) is to seek out outside help via proxies (ME countries) and outright terrorism.
The hard right settlers are a serious problem. They need to be reigned in.
The problems in the area are the hardliners on both sides. They feed on each others actions. Quite frankly there are a higher percentage of hard liners on the Arab side of this than the Israeli. Any honest look at the last 140 years of the area and the negotiations about it shows that.
ā¦Yes. If we really cared about citizens of the Global South, we would talk about nothing besides the global poverty, sickness, dictatorships, and atrocities. Instead we overwhelmingly talk about āourā countries and āourā problems.
Normally we wouldnāt think twice about whatās happening here except that a country in the Global North (āusā) is involved.
IDF is not using knocker rounds in the current conflict.
When asked whether the IDF has stopped the tactic, Hecht said on Monday that Hamas did not āknock on the roof.ā
āWhen they came in and threw grenades at our ambulances they did not knock on the roof. This is war. The scale is different,ā Hecht added.
Is Israel preventing Gazans from leaving to Egypt?
Theyāre not holding on to cities.
What would your solution to ISIS be, just let them keep and terrorize whatever cities they can take?
What is your solution to hamas, just let them keep killing Israelis by the thousand?
I think you need to be careful here.
You are conflating the result of a serious intelligence failure (tail event) with the average Hamas-led response (this is usually firing their rockets at Israel) which does not result in 1,000+ deaths.
There is no āsolutionā to terrorism that does not involve compromise from both sides.
A good example of this is the IRA in Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement, as well as ETA in Spain with more devolution of powers to their province (Pais Vasco). This required compromise from two sides who despised each other due to the number of deaths on either side.
As a Canadian, you donāt really ādealā with terrorism so its basically an abstract concept to you. Attacking Hamas the way Israel is doing right now will 100% not solve the problem. It will simply create another generation of terrorists. Even more hardened ones at that.
Iām wildly unqualified to solve global terrorism. I feel that additional killing is generally the wrong direction. Iām aware Israelis canāt tear down the walls, kiss a Palestinian, and invite them to live in their house. However, the direction of the current conflict sickens me and reminds me of the 2002 zeitgeist in America, which also sickened me.
No. The Egyptians are. Because they donāt want to let a bunch of poor people into their county in the middle of an economic crisis. They also donāt want to let a bunch of Hamas fanatics into their country to cause more problems than they already have with the Muslim Brotherhood, which spawned Hamas in the 1st place.
Force is sometimes necessary imo against people who would use force against you.
Does anyone really think hamas would just stop terrorizing Israel if a two state solution was implemented tomorrow?
This is absolutely true. But Hamas wonāt even consider compromising to the point of removing the call for the death of all Jews from their charter. How is Israel supposed to deal with them in the meantime? I honestly think that Hamas must be destroyed. Even a son of one of Hamasās leaders thinks the organization has to go. Then, hopefully with help from Arab states, a responsible power structure can be set up and negotiated with from there.
No. Egypt is stopping it. They participated in the blockade of Gaza.
None of the surrounding countries want to let the Palestinians in because they have a history of causing violence and civil unrest. When Jordan let them in, they responded by attempting to assassinate the Jordanian leader. From there they moved to Lebanon where they caused a civil war.
It would be more productive to reach an agreement with Israel where they create their own country and have legal authority over the regionā¦
Didnāt that essentially happen when Israel pulled out of Gaza?
To a certain degree, yes.
It wasnāt an abstract concept to me during the FLQ crisis in Quebec in October 1970.
The FLQ terrorists had long been active with minor bombings but upped their game that month by kidnapping a provincial cabinet minister (he was subsequently murdered) and a British diplomat. Pierre Trudeau invoked the War Measures Act for the first time in Canadian history during peacetime. This limited civil liberties and granted the police far-reaching powers, allowing them to arrest and detain 497 people. The Government of Quebec also requested military aid to support the civil authorities, with Canadian Forces being deployed throughout Quebec.
Hadnāt heard about that before. I guess even Canadian university students are stupid and overly liberal before they get some real world experience.