Unfortunately, I would be shocked as well. It makes the most sense, but may not be politically possible.
Egypt doesnât want the remnants of hamas to have easy entry to EgyptâŚ
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Very much agree with the Queen of Jordan.
The double standard we are seeing right now is impossible to ignore.
Yes. The humanitarian situation in Sudan and what continues to be done to the Rohingya is abhorrent. Especially given that there were no provocations by those groups against the people currently committing this violence. But all she seems to be worried about is Israel trying to get rid of Hamas which is using Palestinians as human shields. She, of course, blames the Israelis. Clear double standard.
And before you get your dander up. No I donât wish any harm to Gazan civilians. If there were some way to remove Hamas without harming them I would argue for using it. Iâm just realist enough to know that there isnât one and Hamas must go, after what has been done. I place the blame for this on the people who started this round of fighting and who refuse to admit the right to exist for the other side, Hamas.
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Different source, it is a left-wing source but has more direct quotes. Queen Rania of Jordan Calls Out CNNâs Israel-Gaza Coverage in Interview With Christiane Amanpour
For the record, I fully agree with her regarding double standards. Believe what you want about whether Israel needs to perform a strong crackdown or a gentle, measured response. It feels to me that the most âvaluableâ humans are lighter-skinned, rich, and Christian or Jewish, while darker skin, poverty, and especially Muslim means their lives are treated as lesser. Like how one white, female, blonde baby is kidnapped and itâs national news, but a black boy is kidnapped and maybe it makes local news a couple times. (A real, observable phenomenon.)
Scale it to international conflict. 9/11 was terrible. Killing around half a million civilians in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars was a statistic.
The Western media and policymakers are quick to adopt the Israeli narratives. When Israel attacks, Palestinians âdie ,â but when Israelis die, they are âkilled,â murdered in cold blood.â
âWe are being told that it is wrong to kill a family, an entire family at gunpoint, but itâs okay to shell them to death⌠. And it is just shocking to the Arab world,â
During the interview, Amanpour warned the queen that she will âcome under a lot of criticism from Israel and its supportersâ for calling Israel an âapartheidâ state. The royal responded: âLet me just emphasize that, that apartheid is a designation that was given not by Arabs, but by Israeli and international human rights organizations.â
Israel wants to oust Hamas and attempt to get their citizens back. This may be my own sentiment and subjectivity, it appears to me that deterrence and strength is understood by Hamas while capitulation is not. There arenât good options here.
My understanding is that Jordan and Egypt havenât been too helpful historically for Palestinians. They have historically refused to take in refugees and continue to do so.
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Israel is about half-and-half European Jews and Mizrahi Jews. Mizrahi Jews are just as brown as the countries they left to get to Israel. Brown vs White as a paradigm is only applied to this conflict by Americans who have to view everything through our own warped prism of race.
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The Palestinians and the area they want in their eventual country was actually part of Jordan and Egypt for 19 years. From 1948-1967 Jews were not allowed to live in the Jordanian half of Jerusalem (or the West Bank) and any Jews that lived there were forced to leave. So I find it rich that the Queen of the same country that kicked out the Jews is now calling Israel an apartheid state.
As an aside, why didnât Egypt and Jordan partition Gaza and the West Bank into a new country when they had the chance? I am curious to hear what the Queen of Jordan would have to say to that.
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Jordan was created in 1948. Israel and Jordan were part of the British Mandate prior to 1948.
There were about a million Palestinian refugees in Israel when Israel defeated the Arab league in 1948. In 1948, the Arab league rejected the partition plan and attacked Israel. Israel won the war which resulted in the million Palestinian refugees.
Another result of Israel winning the war was that 800,000 Jews were forced to leave their homes in Iran/Iraq/etc. who became refugees as well. Israel took in the Jewish refugees, while the Palestinian refugees were never taken in.
My point was more that Jordan often has negative comments about Israel while their actions to help Palestinians have been more limited.
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Wasnât disagreeing, just adding on
This poll on the eve of the attack may indicate possibly another political motivation for the timing of the Hamas attack
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I wasnât so much talking about Israeli racial makeup versus Palestine, as I was talking American (European, Canadian, etc.) lives being seen as far more valuable than Middle Eastern lives, including in our media.
That got a little conflated with the Queenâs statement that Israelis are âbutcheredâ and Palestinians simply âdieâ. Similar situation as I described with America, their may not be so based on skin darkness but is the same âour deaths are a tragedy, your deaths are a statistic.â
I see a difference where hamas targetted civilian deaths, and, to my understanding, Israel is not targetting civilians, but targetting hamas infrastructure.
I see intent as mattering. Admittedly, not all do.
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That might be logical when the âcollateral damageâ is measured in single digits of innocent lives lost.
They are approaching 10,000 deaths now from their bombardment (most of these are women and children who have nothing to do with Hamas). That logic just doesnât hold anymore. And thats what is driving a lot of the international pushback against Israel now.
If they keep up the siege tactics and bombardment, that 10,000 will grow and so will the pushback.
Until hamas is removed the situation will get worse and more will die. Removing hamas is necessary.
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This is a pipe dream. Israel cannot eliminate Hamas.
Remember when we rooted out ISIS? Iâm glad ISIS is gone, now everybody is happy.
Remember, increased aggression causes peace.
(Alright, that came off a bit extra snarky. But I have my doubts that weâll succeed in anything but more generational hatred.)
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Thing is⌠bystanders could (at least theoretically) get out of the way during the rooting out of ISIS.
That action didnât occur in a limited urban space which inhabitants are mostly prohibited from leaving.
I understand why that constraint is in place, and there is a certain logic for itâŚbut that doesnât make the situation any less suckful (to use a technical term).
FWIW, I donât think Daesh is actually gone. Itâs a shadow of its former self, and the remnant fragments are morphing into new groupsâŚbut itâs still somewhat around.
Oh, it isnât gone. I was being sarcastic.
The problem is simply: What is Israel supposed to do here? Not counterattack? Thereby rewarding Hamas for using Gazan civilians as human shields. Then wait for Hamas to do it again, only with better Iranian supplied weapons? Slowly give up territory and lives as the attacks make living near Gaza impossible?
When all options are bad you choose the least bad option.
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