So if Hezbollah attacks Israel, and that target is a command center, or military center, or base etc.
And 50+ kids die, thats ok in your mind?
What you keep ignoring is that any attack needs to be justified and porportional in military terms. Collateral damage also has to be justified.
Israel has already murdered (yes, murdered) over 10,000 children in these “attacks”. Dozens of these “attacks” at this point.
So again, please tell us how “this is Hamas’” fault and not the people dropping the bombs.
Personally, what the world needs to do at this point is a similar economic and military embargo as what happened with South Africa. Thats how extremist Israel has become.
Eh, I’m not justifying Israel’s action but surely there is a moral difference between attacking a school or hospital that doubles as a military / terrorist command center vs one that does not. Or between shooting a child that is being used as a human shield for someone trying to kill you vs one that is not.
Again, not saying that everything Israel is doing is right, but I can at least recognize that they’re in a tough spot militarily. (Yes, Palestinian frustration is also understandable.)
The first words of my post were “it’s not ok.”
Hamas operates from among innocents. They work from schools, hospitals, etc.
If Israel has 50 children on a military base, and they are killed in an attack, then yes, I’d blame Israel for their deaths.
Over 10,000 children killed in Gaza? It is a tragedy. But as I said, I believe most of the blame falls on Hamas.
You talk about “justified” and “proportional”. So you’d advocate for Israel to go into Gaza and murder innocents, rape women, kidnap children and bring them back to Israel?
Hamas leadership has stated numerous times that they plan to continue carrying out attacks like the one on 10/7. When you have a threat like that, you don’t need to be proportional - you need to stop them from doing it, no matter what it takes.
If Hamas was actually interested in peace, then I’d agree that the attacks should be tempered. But they’ve given no such indication.
Where Hamas is governing Palestinian territory, arguably a government owned/operated daycare, hospital or school is a terrorist command and control center.
Maybe instead of building a wall between us and Mexico, we should build a wall around the Middle East and tell everyone inside “have at it, whoever survives, it’s yours.”
Terrorist gets thrown around as a perjorative. One person’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter. In this case Israel seems more likely to be the terrorist. They’ve got cabinet ministers openly wishing they could starve 2 million people and their military bombs humanitarian groups.
I wouldn’t call it retaliation - but if the one voice has the means of carrying out its threat, then yes, I believe you have not only the right, but the responsibility to stop it. That’s not retaliation, it’s self-protection.
Imagine how many [more?] Iraqis and Afghanis [and maybe people in a few other countries] we could have wiped out fighting the War on Terror with that mindset. We could have racked up a higher score than we did “promoting democracy” with Chile + Nicaragua + El Salvador.
I was discussing the hypothetical you presented. You’ve now moved the goalposts to analyzing a muddy situation where both sides have behaved less than perfectly.
From what I’ve seen, Israel seems willing to bomb anything regardless of whether a “terrorist” attack is planned or not. Clearly they don’t see Palestinian lives as something to be concerned about when their cabinet ministers are advocating for killing off millions of them.