yes, that’s right
Oh good.
When I think back on this exam, over 50% of it was covered by lists. This is relatively bad news for me. I think this is why everyone thinks they passed. This was a great exam for list memorizers
I much prefer calculation exams to list-heavy ones. If I failed, I’m definitely focusing on lists for next sitting.
I definitely prefer calcs!
I’m not ready to change anything about my approach. I somewhat enjoy digging into the material; I don’t enjoy single minded memorizing at all. Eventually it’ll be a pass. [I do wind up memorizing some]
That approach worked for me on the two 5 hour exams. I don’t know if it will work on this one.
I don’t think you can really make a definitive conclusion based on this one sitting. There are a lot of sittings that you cannot pass by only knowing the lists, you have to recall a lot from the source material to have a chance
I actually did decent on a bunch of the questions that I believe were covered by lists… (not all of them)
seriously… like 9 pts?
More!
I estimate 11 or 12 points from ASOPs
First assumption was what was the cost per IP admin- they only gave us the PMPY for the entire population, which was useless I think. I just made up a number for cost per chronic IP admin.
aslso was the 3 PMPM fee for chronic only or entire population? I just picked chronic only and moved on.
From the wording I remember I thought the fee was for all members not just for chronic but may have been ambiguous. I assumed the “average cost” at the end was the average cost per admit and stated that it’s not usually phrased that way but there’s not enough information. At the end I remember reading the wording again and they said to critique the vendors assertion. Didn’t have much time left but I quickly added a narrative saying usually savings are not measured as a pre tax hurdle rate especially since savings from a DM program is really more like cost avoidance so there wouldn’t be tax on it anyway
if you look at F20 exam, #2- they state that Hurdle rate = Net ROI. Ya, hope your study notes included that single line from a prior exam solution.
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tax is still meaningful even if it’s cost avoidance.
cause it impacts Income. Therefore you care about tax
should be plenty of analysis for full points imo. you pointed out what you did and why you did it.
The trick from the question was purposely giving you the wrong info (or the right info with the wrong label). There was no ‘right answer’. The right answer was calling out the question for being defective and then making up your own answer and defnding it.
What were all the ASOP questions? I can remember 55 on management actions and sensitivity testing, 41 on data sources and responsibilities, I think there was something on 45 and one more…
These are the 2 major assumptions to make!
I struggled with the first one. I wound up making wild simplifying assumptions to make it work with the numbers given. It seemed less reasonable to just make up a cost/admit…
So I assumed the cost pmpy was composed entirely of chronic IP costs. Yes, I know it was wild. But I applied the pmpy across entire population (including non chronics) to get the total cost. Then I divided by the inpatient admits (only chronic admits were given) to get the cost/admit.
The second assumption was more or less a coin flip. I think applying it to chronics is slightly better.
asops 41, 45, and 55 [you had them right]
Do you remember what they asked about 45?
what to do for individuals with limited data
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