Just leave it on the ground or something? They don’t even have ID yet.
Ah: I see his ID in the cop’s hand.
Simple advice: do what the cops say, as long as it doesn’t waive your rights. Otherwise, it is immediately suspicious.
OK, so if the cop looked at the ID and discovered that it is Tyreek Hill, should he be treated differently? Honest question, because they might let up a bit, cuz he’s rich enough to hire lawyers and he is less of a threat.
More on the body cam found somewhere else (Jalopnik, which gets all their news from someplace):
Hill’s Dolphins teammates Calais Campbell and Jalen Waddle pull up and try to deescalate the situation before the cops yell at them to back up. They then start harassing Waddle for his license. “Your license right now!” one of the cops can be heard yelling.
Oh, they definitely had money on the game,
Tyreek was being a jacka%^.
So was the cop who decided to pull him out. Also the same one who sat him down and then got up in the other players faces when they approached.
Tyreek didn’t pull over when he knew they were after him, until told to do so. Then rolled up his window, delayed rolling it down, and refused to keep it down when instructed to do so. (This is a perfectly legal instruction BTW.) Then was uncooperative when told to sit down. Also a perfectly legal instruction at that time and SOP for the situation.
The 1 cop overreacted and was too aggressive. He didn’t need to pull Tyreek out of the car that soon. Once he decided to do so everything from there was physically handled correctly. The others backed him up, as they should. Campbell should not have been handcuffed. That may have been the same aggressive cop.
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I’m tired of people doing everything they can to escalate the situation with police and then crying that they escalated too quickly. He got exactly what he wanted.
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Are you that convinced that he did “everything they can to escalate the situation with police?” Cause I can just as easily see it as “yeah, fuck, I was speeding, I really just want to get inside so I can get ready for the game” and think of ways he could have done a whole lot more to escalate things.
As proof he did nothing wrong, he wasn’t arrested.
If he had done something wrong, he would have been arrested. The cops were just drunk on the perception of their own power, so they manhandled and tortured a guy whose only real mistake was DWB.
Technically, he was arrested for speeding and not wearing his seat belt (benefit of a doubt tells me he probably unhooked himself after stopping, benefit of a cynic thinks he is dumb enough to speed while not wearing a seat belt).
Not being arrested =/ doing nothing wrong.
Tortured? Seriously? He was not tourtured. He was handcuffed and sat down on the curb in the procedurally correct way.
I think the decision to pull him out of the car and handcuff him was not warranted. I believe the cop who initiated that action should have a disciplinary mark placed in his employment file and get some training. He (they?) was overly aggressive in choice of enforcement methods. The way they went about those methods was correct.
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6 white cops shoving a black man onto his belly, face first into the asphalt is torture.
You won’t change my mind.
He was detained and ticketed, but not arrested.
His rights were violated. To suggest otherwise is racist. This is George Floyd revisited.
I don’t think is any surprise. No, Hill wasn’t perfect in this and the officer probably still overreacted given that specific situation and location.
Reminiscent of when Scottie Shreffler got arrested outside Valhalla CC in Louisville back in May, except when Shreffler allegedly dragged a police officer (which, maybe it’s just me, but that seems a tad more serious than speeding) I don’t recall him getting dragged out of his car and forcibly taken to the ground while handcuffed.
I suppose i am new to law enforcement handcuffing procedures. You lay someone on their stomach on the ground and put your knee in their back? Are all persons removed from their vehicles treated in such a manner?
When they have to be forcibly removed from the vehicle, that is a proper procedure. Not the only one. The level of force used is supposed to be a response to the cooperation of the person and the general situation. (Felony warrant stop gets higher level than speeding for instance.)
You need to check your eyes.
There weren’t 6 cops there when he was placed in cuffs, there were 4. Pretty sure a couple of those officers are Hispanic including Danny Torres, the one on administrative leave. Let’s not try to make this a white/black thing.
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Being of a vastly different fitness level than Hill I would hope I would get the simple “put your hands behind your back”. I’d also prefer standing over sitting on the ground.
Once a person is in handcuffs the sitting is to prevent them running or trying to push a cop into traffic. Its actually safer for everyone involved on average.
Torres was out of line. Hill could have avoided the whole situation if he had just had, and kept, his window down and been polite. When I’ve been pulled over I have my window down and ID ready by the time the cop gets to me. I also turn the car off to show I’m not going anywhere without permission. This was not Philandro Catille getting shot while doing everything right.
Yeah, one look at me and running isn’t an option.
Seems the police have released the body cam footage earlier than they would normally. Normally it wouldn’t be released until a lot further along in the investigation from what I understand.
And one of the cops (not sure if it was the one that pulled him out or not) has been placed on administrative duty. Seems the higher ups see at least the possibility that there was a problem with the interaction.
As I remember Scottie did as he was asked and did not refuse to get out and get handcuffed so there was no need for him to be dragged out and forcibly taken to the ground. Compliance goes a long ways in these issues
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So … does that mean if one does not comply - or, one does not comply in a sufficient manner as deemed appropriate by an officer - then whatever actions result from there are OK, no matter how over the top relative to the alleged crime committed?
Cause … I thought we had discussions about this 4 years ago, 9 years ago, 32 years ago and it seems like we still keep giving incredible deference to one side while demanding the other - especially when it involves POC - to “just comply and everything will be fine” when we’ve had example after example that it’s not.
Burn that strawman TH. Burn it all the way down.
