We don’t eat our much so that wasn’t a problem for us. We had to test prior to a concert, but basically avoided places where we weren’t welcome.
I like visiting your city, but it’ll probably be a while before I go again.
they lifted the vax requirements to do stuff in nyc. so, it shouldn’t be an issue.
I didn’t really agree with that requirement. it was hard on businesses which were already struggling due to being shut down after covid hit.
its a little weird that they ever existed, looking back. The vax movement was in full throttle and they kinda used a lot of not-so-true or not-so-proven ‘facts’ to push that to the max.
I was mostly OK with it as a ‘means to an end’ (like many), but it was a little scary how far we let that go as a society.
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I thought it made sense when the vaccine was thought to actually stop the spread, but did it really ever? I’m not so sure. now that we know it doesn’t, definitely doesn’t make sense.
the vaccine was by a wide margin the best mitigation tool we had against an uncontrolled worldwide viral outbreak.
but they marketed it as a 100% cure all fix with no down side. and a lot of people got downright nasty defending that obviously incorrect position.
but most vaccinated people got covid. how is that a good mitigation tool?
Yes, I know the bans are now gone but I’ll spend my time and money in places that are new or newer to me for a while.
thats my point. it wasnt really a good tool. but it was the BEST tool we had.
the best tool we had wasn’t good at all then. so, the negative consequences of requiring people to be vaxxed far outweighed the positive ones.
Similar to bans on smoking it’s not clear how negative the impact was though.
This group over here is more likely to stay home because of the ban. But that group over there is now more likely to venture out … because of the ban.
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I still stand behind the vaccine as a mostly effective mitigation tool.
I dont think most of the mandates were necessary or effective. I think the societal pressure was enough (too much) on its own.
not similar to smoking. the unvaxxed flat out were forbidden from being in restaurants. smokers could simply go outside to smoke. also, 2nd hand smoke is disgusting and can have health consequences. it’s been decades since the smoking bans and i really don’t think that long-term it was a bad decision.
getting vaccinated did pretty much nothing to protect patrons and staff from contracting covid. if i was super fearful of covid, i’d avoid restaurants entirely, not go because people are required to be vaxxed to be there. i could easily catch covid from the vaccinated pretty much just as easily as the unvaccinated. and did catch covid as a vaccinated person myself.
I don’t know for sure either, but the CDC quit tracking breakthrough infections 5/1/21. To stop on 5/1 probably means that they’d seen a lot of breakthrough well before that date. If the shots ever stopped the spread, it was very short lived.
that’s pretty darn early. i’m guessing it didn’t stop infections much at all.
lol, I forgot about ‘breakthrough’ infections. back when we still thought vaccinated people could not get covid.
Well that’s where it’s similar to smoking as Covid germs are also disgusting and have health consequences. And in the early days of the vaccines you were MUCH less likely to be exhaling Covid germs if you were vaccinated.
The correlation is a lot weaker now that the virus has mutated.
public perception of risk has changed a lot since then.
Is that actually true? I’m not so sure that’s true. Why would a mutated virus matter? They supposedly developed a bivalent booster for said mutated virus, but it doesn’t stop the spread. so why would the original vaccine have done that job?
Examining the ability of the shots to stop transmission or contraction of the disease was not part of the Pfizer trial design iirc.
I think it’s also that either through the vaccine or through exposure, covid isn’t as bad as it was if you catch it in 2023 vs 2020. We also have paxlovid in 2023.