Closer to home
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-canada-hospitals-idUSKBN2BZ205
Oh, was your post about alien DNA meant to be taken seriously? I’m sorry.
Maybe you’re too close to see clearly, Mr LF.
You should maybe look into what you quoted a little further. India thought they’d beaten covid, and then people stopped wearing masks and a lot of seasonal gatherings took place, is what I’m reading.
Honestly, it’s likely new variants, which are less similar to respiratory diseases that Indians were mostly already exposed to, that are causing the current outbreak.
They are also more dangerous to 6 year olds than the first wave, so you might end up taking personal interest in this development.
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Unfortunately many people listen to such “experts.” I’m starting to think that people like to make up outrageous theories for funsies and see how they spread. Latest seems to be fearmongering that being in proximity to someone who’s been vaccinated can be harmful.
There is this:
https://www.acep.org/life-as-a-physician/wellness/wellness/wellness-week-articles/physician-suicide
But it’s much easier to drop a tweet instead of reading through.
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Hmmm… If only people were wearing masks in Ontario, it might limit spread…
https://twitter.com/ianmSC/status/1384580687500484610?s=19
Btw, I know this is a dirty s-word, but Ontario has likely recently passed it’s seasonal peak & is starting to see the late April-May drop like the northeast US (& MI).
I know several people personally who only started taking Covid seriously after they or their loved ones ended up on a ventilator. I don’t wish that on anyone, and I wish there was a way to reason with people in denial. As there doesn’t seem to be, I’ve decided to not engage them anymore, including on here.
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You think “seasonal” is a bad word? All the other coronaviruses are seasonal, and surely this one seems to be so, as well. And i hope Ontario numbers are heading down, as i have a lot of friends in Ontario.
Seasonal doesn’t mean there is absolutely nothing you can do about it other than wait for the weather to change, however.
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You mean besides implying anyone trying to do so is Chicken Sheeple?
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It’s interesting that people compare this to the flu. There are obvious similarities, of course, but the more this pandemic develops, the more it reminds me of polio. Now, covid seems to be mostly already via aerosol, and polio is mostly spread via fecal/oral contamination. So control measures are obviously different.
But polio is also a bug that mostly doesn’t kill people. In fact, most people get a stomach ache, have the runs for a few days, and get better. But it can’t get out of the gi tract, and into the nerves. And when that happens, it results in paralysis, which may be long-term, and death. And like covid, it’s more likely to kill older victims. (Unlike covid, it wasn’t brand new, and a lot of older people had caught it as infants, when sanitation had been worse, and had immunity. But older people who DID catch it had much worse outcomes, on average.)
And i do think we will have long term social impacts and irrational anxiety from covid, based on what happened with polio. When i was a kid my town had a public swimming area, on a little pond. I spent ages there. My mom would take us, and my dad would meet us there after work for supper. But my best friend wasn’t allowed to go. Because her mother grew up in the town, and when her mother was a child, the town beach was one of the places suspected (probably truthfully) of spreading polio.
That is what should happen in a libertarian utopia, but for such a utopia to be achieved, people have to behave rationally and with foresight.
Sadly, the past year and change has highlighted that society includes a LOT of irrational, myopic individuals.
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Very true.
Yikes.
Thank goodness I know we don’t work together.
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The pharmacies are now waitlisting for AZ. I think Pfizer/Moderna will open soon for my age group!
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mass vaccination sites in new york are now open for walk-ins of any age.
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Connecticut has a lot of walk-ins too.
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Yeah, there is a max vaccination site nearby that’s accepting walk-ins starting this weekend. Getting your shot was never has difficult for the gen pop as was anticipated, and that’s a good thing.
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Can’t it be the case though that the risk be > 0 (and thus you could witness someone have negative effects of it) but still not do every possible risk mitigation effort because you’re tolerant of some risks?
Hell people go skydiving/bungee jumping/etc of their own free will for the fun of it. Clearly those sorts would likely be happy to take the risk of gatherings.
For example I chatted with some colleagues in the UK who were excited to have some restrictions be lifted, namely they can now visit another person’s house. I was shocked that the government could just declare person A is outlawed from visiting person B’s house when both A and B are happy for the visit. Does the government own my land then?
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I posit that there is a large gap between “I’ll choose to go bungee jumping with my friends and be mindful of public health (avoid the store, quarantine after a vacation) because of the risk I’m choosing for myself” and “I’ll do whatever I want and not wear a mask at the grocery store because COVID is a hoax.”
The risk I’m tolerant of also translates to what I decide the general public is tolerant of when I also choose to visit others, shop at the grocery store, go to work, etc. That’s where it crosses the line. I’m speaking pre-vaccination, of course. At some point we do have to return to normal.
Completely agree, yeah I think it’s perfectly fair for the government to mandate masks (which are incredibly low cost) in public places like a store and that sort of thing. I think the hill I’d die on is where the government says you can have up to this many people in your house.
For example earlier in the pandemic I think there was some limit of like 10, but my nuclear family does weekly dinner with my parents and my sister’s husband+kids so in all we’re 12 (13 normally but we all agreed my grandmother should distance until she was vaccinated) with an average age of about 22 yet we were technically breaking the “law” (governor’s tweet?) by having dinner together at my parents’ house.
I understand that frustration, and if my kids weren’t in school, I’d probably be fully on board with that, but then I think about the people who attended a large wedding on a private residence, brought COVID home to their families, and their families spread it to people who died because not everyone who was exposed chose that exposure for themselves.
My kids ARE in school, in person, some of the time. Kids spread germs, despite all attempts at preventing that, and we’re learning that kids do contract and spread COVID. My kid brought a cold home from school in the first few weeks back.
What if one of those wedding attendants brought COVID home from the wedding, gave it to their child, who gave it to mine, who then gave it to my entire family? Is total lack of regulation the answer when the result will most certainly be unnecessary loss of life?