Who will be the Democratic nominee for POTUS in 2024?

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You can spin it either way, you’ve taken the optimistic reading of it and Republicans take the pessimistic reading of it.

Optimistic or pessimistic, guaranteeing a job is going down the road from Socialism to Communism.

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I should add that I presume that no one behind GND is envisioning “do-nothing jobs”. I do wonder how they envision dealing with performance issues. Can you get fired from a guaranteed job?

Regardless, I’m assuming they are thinking that there are useful ways to employ people.

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I would assume so. You can lose a guaranteed anything.

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I will admit that the wording is vague and there are not specific plans to create guaranteed jobs.

I am not a staunch advocate for GND although it mostly seems like an excellent idea to me, albeit a bit ambitious. I won’t say I support every line item because I am not a political scholar and haven’t closely read everything.

Calling a jobs guarantee Communism is a huge overreaction in my opinion. Several nations have implemented similar acts, whether guaranteed jobs or something close to. The UK, Australia, Germany, the Netherlands, France, etc. Also governments such as China and the USSR to be fair.

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I can’t imagine why.

Fox-rot destroying American minds…

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This is my experience as well. A white gay male will get a pass, POC not so much.

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If a woman wins or a gay wins or an asian wins it’s a win for me.

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You have to get power to wield power. That’s the lesson Democrats should learn from Republicans. If someone can’t get elected the merits of their ideas don’t mean squat.

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Not sure I agree with the sentiment behind this statement, but sadly it seems mostly true. Individually pretty much every liberal position has overwhelming popular support, but for some reason people still elect a lot of Republicans. I wonder why.

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cities are denser than rural areas.

Unfortunately in America, people don’t vote, land votes.

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Liz Cheney - Mitt Romney :slight_smile: (I can dream, can’t I?!)

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It’s my understanding that JB Pritzker (current IL gov’nor) is considering making a run for POTUS . . .

But he’s also up for re-election . . . be interesting to see how he’ll go if he loses the gov’norship.

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I assume there haven’t been any failed POTUS nominees who subsequently ran for VP, but I’m too lazy to research.

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0 chance they would be the Democratic nominees, and I wouldn’t want them to be. Likely I would vote for them if they were.

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The reverse has certainly happened: Bob Dole unsuccessfully ran for VPOTUS and later unsuccessfully ran for POTUS. And Franklin Delano Roosevelt unsuccessfully ran for VPOTUS and subsequently successfully ran for POTUS.

And plenty of folks have gotten the POTUS nomination a second time after losing the general election, most recently Richard Nixon.

But to get the VPOTUS nomination after an unsuccessful attempt at POTUS… hmmm… challenge accepted!!!

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I think you’re missing my point. I’m not talking about the black population voting for Obama in 2008. In 2008, there was a segment of the white voters who voted for Obama because of his skin color, just to show other parts of society that skin color doesn’t matter.

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I was relying on my memory, but after looking through the POTUS losers, no, I don’t believe any have subsequently been nominated by a major party for VPOTUS. I’m not counting the early days like Jefferson being a failed POTUS candidate who became VPOTUS. I mean I guess technically that was simultaneous, not subsequent, anyway. Regardless, he was never trying to become VPOTUS so I don’t think it fits the spirit of the question.

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Uh, i really don’t think so. I think he lost a lot more white votes than he gained, due to his color.

But he did excite the black electorate, who turned out in higher numbers than usual. There were black neighborhoods in my town that literally ran out of ballots, and had have more brought in, because the number of voters was higher than ever before.

But there aren’t enough rarely-voting gay Americans who would be fired up by a gay candidate to make a difference.

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I should add that plenty of candidates who sought the POTUS nomination and lost the nomination have gone on to be their party’s nominee for VPOTUS. Including our current VPOTUS.

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I think all of the following exist:

  1. Black people who were more likely to vote for Obama because he’s black
  2. White people who were less likely to vote for Obama because he’s black
  3. White people who were more likely to vote for Obama because he’s black.

I will cynically note that the subset of black voters who were less likely to vote for Obama because he’s black is also probably non-zero, but presumably (hopefully) incredibly tiny.

Whether 2 or 3 is larger is a matter of debate, I think. Most of the people who would never vote for a black man are also people who would never, in the 21st century anyway, vote for a Democrat. If you start out with a 0% chance of voting for the Democratic nominee then his being black definitionally can’t make you less likely to vote for him.