Where Do We Go From Here?

I remember liking her in the 2016 primary. But she’s now run unsuccessfully for Senate and President. Does she have another campaign in her?

Morris, not Carly

That doesn’t contradict my point. The parties are becoming more partizan. To the partizans, brinkmanship is beneficial.

The election - Biden won, but ballot measures for big progressive ideas failed.

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The Republicans appear at a cross roads right now. Do they graciously accept the will of the people and move back toward the center or do they support DJTs fascist move to try to subvert the election and continue to tact hard right?

Why not both?

I think that applies to both parties. Trump lost the POTUS election, but the D’s lost House seats and unless Georgia delivers a big surprise failed to flip the Senate in a year that they had massive advantages towards doing so. That coupled with the failure of a number of progressive ballot measures at the state level seems to indicate that the D’s would want to move away from the far left progressive measures.

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That’s an interesting view you have of the election. I think it’s more accurate to frame the results as Biden didn’t “win”, but Trump did lose. Many of the Biden votes were “anti-Trump” votes. Down ballot a lot of those voters voted for Republicans. It certainly wasn’t a “blue wave”. Republicans picked up seats in the House, control of the Senate will be will be decided in January but Republicans successfully defended a lot of Senate seats despite pre-election polling showing otherwise. I’m not sure why you think the “will of the people is to move back toward the center”.

I think it’s the democrats that are at a crossroads, do they graciously accept the will of the people and move away from the large government “socialist” policies of the progressives?

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Trump in 2016 was a lot less coherent than Trump in 1990. It as already pretty obvious that dementia was setting in. Yes, of course it’s gotten worse. But I don’t see him ever admitting to it.

No, it’s not. I think Biden is too old. I also think that Biden is healthier and more vigorous than Trump today, and is surely in much better shape than Trump will be in 2024.

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Given how well he has spoken off the cuff throughout the years. How could you tell if Biden is in the early stages of dementia or not?

The guy was often incoherent in his 40s. :laughing:

Definitely agree with you there.

Yes, Biden has a stutter, and has never been a very good “off the cuff” speaker. I don’t see any particular evidence of decline. In contrast, Trump really WAS a good speaker, and was noticeably worse by 2016, and is even worse today. His vocabulary has also contracted. I don’t know if it’s a change, but his attention span is very short, by all accounts.

For a while, I thought that Trump’s 4th-grade language and reasoning was just him being really good at speaking to very stupid lizard-brain types. And that may have been the case at first, but after doing it for four years I suspect that, like the little kid whose face actually “froze like that,” he’s forgotten he ever knew any bigger words at all, and can’t really help it. I think at this point, it’s just reflexive.

I don’t think Trump has dementia. He doesn’t like being pressed on when he is telling the truth so he ignores a lot of things others say. Like a good band he also knows what his hits are so he just uses them over and over…and over…and over. Everyone here knows about 15 statements he would make right now if someone interviewed him for 30 minutes or he gave a speech on live TV.

I don’t think Don has dementia either, I mean he might and I don’t know it. But there is no question he was not the same in 2020 as he was in 2016 and to me the biggest change came after his surprise visit to Walter Reed for “the first half of his annual physical”. I’m still convinced he had some medical issue similar to a stoke then regardless of what he’s said about it.

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Trump will form a “leadership PAC”.

A Trump campaign spokesman, Tim Murtaugh, said the committee had been in the works for a while.

“The president always planned to do this, win or lose,” Mr. Murtaugh said, “so he can support candidates and issues he cares about, such as combating voter fraud.”

A leadership PAC could spend an unlimited amount in so-called independent expenditures to benefit other candidates, as well as fund travel, polling and consultants. Mostly, it would almost certainly be a vehicle by which Mr. Trump could retain influence in a party that has been remade largely in his image over the past four years.

Above all, he’s a pathological narcissist. I think his mental state is deteriorating over time as evidenced by the way he struggles with some words and just spits out something incoherent on occasion, but the enabling of him over the years has reinforced his narcissistic tendencies and make them worse since he knows there’s no price to be paid for them.

Somehow I doubt that “or lose” was ever seriously part of his plan. It was probably more like something he’d planned for his post-Presidency which is now coming 4 years earlier than anticipated.

I think this PAC will be a vehicle to funnel money into his own coffers. Once this election is finalized I have a feeling Republicans may pay him lip service, but they are going to cut these types of ties with him immediately.

Many of these politicians are in DC because of Trump’s influence so they’ll keep giving him attention. Plus without his base in the voting booths it would be tough for some of them to be reelected. The ones who cut ties will be most of the corporations, as their relationship with Trump was purely transactional.

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