That story should convince your vaccine hesitant friend to take the vaccine.
I think SW is the tightest/leanest, or has been recently. We flew SW to Maui in July and I was really, really worried we might not get there. As it turned out, we did get thereā¦ but due to other scheduling issues it was my family (n=3) and about twenty other people from LAS-OGG. I assume they needed the plane in OGG or they would have cancelled out flight.
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No because he believes, among other lies, that NBD only those who are high risk can die of covid, implying that those people are disposable anyway. Zero responsibility to consider the vulnerable. I think thereās a parable about that.
Thatās odd. I would have thought when someone wonāt do what you want them to do, insulting them and calling them an ****hole would do the trick.
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Actually, propaganda and restriction of data are extremely effective. Thatās why countries turn to those tools so often. The problem with restricting access to information is the morality of doing so, not the efficacy of doing so.
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How well does it work on populations which expect little to no restrictions on information?
Historically, it has worked very well. Even in countries that typically have open information.
Hell, people still refer to āthe Spanish fluā because the US did a good job of censoring information about the flu pandemic that started in Kansas.
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Then continue going for it.
What a bunch of racists.
We havenāt done any real censorship this time. I believe thatās a primary driver of vaccine hesitancy. You can read anything from the original research published in the Lancet to complete fabrications about the efficacy of ivermectin and how mRNA vaccines make you sterile. And the lies get a lot of press and are used to build āteam cohesionā within important demographic groups.
If we HAD censored data, weād be in a different place today. Depending on what was published, we could be in a better place or a worse place, but it would be very different.
Thatās your take away. Interesting.
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Right, because you think you understand why people are hesitant to take this particular vaccine.
@RoyWalley , i acknowledge your concerns, but i think your factual understanding of how people react to information and to social pressure are deeply flawed.
Iām not arguing for government censorship. Iām not even arguing for broad government mandates. Iām certainly not arguing for forcing people to get vaccinated (by the usual definition of force.) But i think your arguments fail because you misunderstand how people, in the aggregate, actually respond.
Name any government censorship around covid in the US.
Also, there are a lot of people who are still hesitant, and Iām pretty certain they have a lot of different reasons for that.
We do have censorship, encouraged by the government, and broad mandates are in the process of being implemented. If youāre willing to adhere to that definition of āforceā on all issues going forward, okay. How about intense persuasion? My arguments fail with you because you may know of a few vaccine hesitant people, but you probably donāt know many vaccine hesitant people very well. And thatās okay. The efforts to get them vaccinated to this point have been counterproductive. If you want to get them vaccinated, the options which are left are either backing off and letting them make their own choice, or heavily increasing the force, I mean the intense persuasion.
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And none of the reasons are satisfied by the approaches Iāve seen you promote.
Tell us a good approachā¦that wonāt be immediately undermined by fox news.
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And what have you seen me promote? Because i donāt think Iāve really promoted any methods of persuasion on the ao.
And the only method Iāve personally used was with a home health aid assisting my mom:
Me: hey, youāre eligible to be vaccinated, i think your should do it
Her: Iām not saying Iāll never do it, but Iām not sure yet
Me: okay, but take to your doctor about it.
Me: made sure my mother was vaccinated, and she saw that i wanted it for my family, but just for her. She also talked to friends and possibly her doctor.
Her: (shortly after my mom had been vaccinated) can you help me get an appointment?
If you want to call that āintense persuasionā, though, go for it.
The other āvaccine hesitantā person i know is a libertarian whose position is, ādonāt tell me what to do with my bodyā. He doesnāt even care about safety, etc. Heās just a stubborn sob. Iāve made zero attempt to persuade him, because itās not about facts or fears, itās about his identity. Nothing but financial pressure or actual force is likely to change his mind. Time sure as hell wonāt. His wife is upset, but fortunately, heās not my problem.
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It would be nice if we could see a magical worldā¦ where liberals arenāt allowed to ever insult or control conservatives.
Where there are no āstupid opinionsā, or stupid people, or assholes, or deplorables, or racists, or bad people, because thatās too judgmental, and it causes people to act-out.
I donāt think that world is possible, because people canāt control themselves like that. But I do wonder what it would look like.
I donāt think it would cause people to get vaccinated. But I donāt really know what it would do. The closest comparison I have is how you talk to a kid. You can either yell at your kids to eat their vegetables, or not yell at your kids to eat their vegetables.
You are free to call anyone any word you want. No problems there.