We can both be right about our respective countries. I think the US and Canadian experience on the importance of religion differs by age group as older Canadians are the least religious group. My basis is this quote from the poll I shared previously.
“In the United States, residents aged 18-to-34 are the least likely to consider religion as a very important component of their lives (45%),” says Mario Canseco, President of Research Co. “In Canada, the number is lowest among residents aged 55 and over (22%).”
I learned something new today from this exchange. That is always gratifying.
I grew up in Ontario but have lived the past 20+ years in British Columbia.
What you say about the regional matchups jives with my feelings about the similarities providing we are comparing urban to urban and rural to rural areas.
I think the corresponding US regions are a little more religious on average and the politics a little more to the right than their Canadian counterparts. However I think Cascadia could work as a country!
There is a lot of confusion in the Conservative subreddit today, with unusually highly-upvoted posts pointing out that abortion is a losing issue and Trump hasn’t been helpful for the GOP since 2016.
It’s Bizarro World there right now. Usually anything not praising the god-emperor is downvoted or earns you a ban. And the posts calling out that maybe “no exceptions for rape/incest” and similar language is too strong.
Just imagining them thinking… I don’t know why they think we want to outright ban abortion? I mean it has only been what we’ve been saying over and over again. I mean sure we tried to pass a 6 week abortion ban and that’s counting from the last day of your last period so it’s basically impossible to even know you’re pregnant before then, what gives!?
To be clear, I don’t think Americans are gaining religion as they age, but rather that younger generations are losing religion faster than older generations. The shift is towards all Americans losing religion, with young white liberals at the forefront.
As one /r/Conservative commentator said, “They kept playing this [Ohio] commercial with a 12-year-old who was raped and saying “Republicans want me to give birth to my rapist’s baby, and I’m 12.” We obviously can’t argue against that, so how do we win on abortion?”
Some republicans are willing to die on this hill. Help me out here. Is it that some/many/most republicans are either financially backed by folks who want abortion bans, and/or are in districts where abortion bans are popular, and they are driving this? And they are basically poisoning the well for the rest of the party, is that what’s unfolding here, more or less?
Because, as the article points out, seven states have held ballot measures or whatever, and none have succeeded. At any rate, it seems that it’s possible that the right got what they wanted here, and now they are getting it good and hard.
I would agree. I think this aspect is the same in Canada. You need only compare churchgoing statistics from the 1950’s and 1960’s to the current time to see the drop-off.
There is currently zero social pressure on Canadians to attend church whereas some pressure still exists in the US. US politicians still feel they need to be seen as religious. Church attendance stats are still much higher in the US than Canada.
My personal journey was one where I reassessed everything I had believed as a child and I don’t think that is unusual for people who are exposed to new ideas and to people with different views as they get older. Having said that, I think it is important to understand the important role that various religions play in peoples’ lives but that is different from you being religious yourself.
I think a lot of republicans really do think abortion is killing children.
And individual rights are more important than a democratic majority.
So I don’t think they are wrong simply for trying to override the democratic vote. Instead i think they are wrong on the substance of the issue. The possible personhood and rights of the fetus should not override the mother’s, and i like that the popular vote supports that. But i was also happy for roe to support that independent of the popular vote.
God says killing is bad. The Church says these Bible verses mean that a fetus is a baby. Killing babies is super bad. Democrats want people to be able to kill babies. Tucker Carlson and Trump say that people are killing babies after birth. Democrats are evil. Vote Republican. Vote God.
The origins of why the GOP and the Church preach that abortion is evil is more complicated, but basically is rooted in patriarchy and racism. Around the 70s, the GOP realized they could intermingle peoples’ religion with their politics and ran with it, amplifying the abortion message from their political side and getting the Church to hammer on it as well. At least, that’s a quick 2 sentence summary.
vivek tried to slam her as “dick cheney in 3 inch heels” and she chimed in to defend herself instead of starting w “is that directed at me or gov desantis?”
Just imagining them thinking… I don’t know why they think we want to outright ban abortion? I mean it has only been what we’ve been saying over and over again. I mean sure we tried to pass a 6 week abortion ban and that’s counting from the last day of your last period so it’s basically impossible to even know you’re pregnant before then, what gives!?