United States Presidential & Congressional Election 2024

So will the Republicans finally address immigration?

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There goes my dream of an open border :frowning:

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Honestly, I’m not 100% sure why it bothers me so much. Maybe because of the mask mandates that were so annoying to live with? Even when the mandates ended, and I didn’t wear one, I had random people get mad at me in stores because I wasn’t wearing one. They told me that while it wasn’t mandated anymore, I should be considerate of those around me.
I guess it’s just something that I have a personal issue with.

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That’s probably what it WILL take, and it won’t be pretty.

I think that’s probably true, too, and why I was curious. I know I find myself instinctively taking issue with innocuous things around me, like people who display the American flag (maybe excessively in my opinion) or who drive a huge ass truck. I bring a lot of baggage and inference to those situations, but it doesn’t really have anything to do with me.

Those people (in your situation, or mine) might very well be performative jerks, but I’m trying to assume positive intentions in people. It might not be true, but it doesn’t really matter; it helps me release a lot of my negative shit.

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Curious about this as well, if he really does start mass deportation we’re gonna figure out real quick that the native work force is shrinking and we will be dealing with major labor shortages. In things like the food industry, which is kind of an important one. If we don’t do deportations but clamp down hard on new immigration, same result but a little longer for it to play out.

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Yeah, this is something that most people just don’t see. I didn’t own a computer in 2004 and smart phones didn’t exist. If I wanted to post on AO, I had to drive to work. If I wanted to watch a movie I had to wait for it to be on TV, buy the DVD, or drive to the video store and rent it.

My car didn’t have heated seats or a backup camera or satellite radio. My house didn’t have a smart thermostat or doorbell.

My standard of living is WAY higher before you even look at stuff like which model of car I’m driving or the neighborhood or square footage of my house.

But people don’t feel that stuff.

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Seeing some discussion on twitter about a 20 million vote discrepancy and mail in ballots not scanning in PA. Not sure if it’s wishful thinking or what.

I’m guessing part of it is that there’s usually a lag in the final vote count and election calls are made based on ratios and expected counts rather than actual counts (e.g. the final counts will match up better).

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Wait, you mean Democrats are now challenging the legitimacy of the election?
Oh, the irony…

I would so much say Democrats as random people on the internet.

I’d note that Trump was challenging the legitimacy on the PA results last night. Crickets today.

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Discussion on twitter of a discrepancy being equated with formal statements by politicians about the previous election, and numerous formal lawsuits, almost all dismissed and all producing no evidence of any significant miscounting?

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As I write this:

  • California is reported at 54% in, with 9.5m votes counted so far
  • Colorado is 76% in, with 2.4m votes counted
  • Washington State is 64% in, with 2.5m votes counted
  • Arizona is 64% in, with 2.2m votes counted
  • Utah is 60% in, with 1m votes counted
  • Nevada is 86% in, with 1.3m votes counted

I think with some hand-waving and recognizing that I’ve only listed a few of the larger states that aren’t almost done, you close much of the gap.

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That would be what I was suggesting in my second paragraph. I’m not sure if they’re going off current count or expected count.

When I looked at the current totals when pulling those stats, they were a bit less than 20m under last year’s, with much of the difference being on the D side.

Harris should close the gap, although I suspect she might not surpass the number of votes cast for Biden.

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Can we start with the American Citizen Hispanics in swing states that voted for Trump?
Asking for a friend.

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I think people are thrown off by the reports of record setting turnout and lower overall number of votes.

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I have been looking at these numbers and really want a reconciliation (like a typical actuary). The data needs to make sense so that I accept the conclusions.

So, basically we will have a labor shortage like the one we had during COVID, but for 4+ years rather than 1.5?

My observation is that the quality of produce has suffered permanently as a result of the COVID shortages - in particular edible strawberries and tomatoes seem non-existent now in all seasons.

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I have a friend who has a PhD on how countries didn’t adjust their equilibrium point to include the effect of a labour subsidy, something like slavery or colonialism. Most of them still need some form of external intervention.

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Apparently there are at least 400k people fit enough to hike through the jungle and cross the Darien Gap. Surely they are fit enough to join the labor force and grow vegetables.