Now rate the D candidates that made it to the general election.
Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania all have Dem governors. Hopefully that helps voters warming up to a potential Harris campaign.
Not even close. Considerably left of the Ds in 2008.
Someone already commented about Obamaâs changed public position on gay marriage. I guess we canât really know what his personal view is. Does it matter?
there will be pushback to a harris nomination and this will create internal divisions. van jones on cnn is right, need to pick the best candidate to win not the candidate you think should be president.
https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000190-be78-dd41-afb9-fefc35f00000
Had not listened to a Trump speech since his Presidency. His speech tonight was a good reminder of what he is like when he goes off-script. What was on the teleprompter was effective but his ramblings were crazy.
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I just donât understand how at the RNC, with MAGA being the party of âwe root out the pedophiles, we save the childrenâ, theyâre still having Kid Rock perform.
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They were all part of the 2008 D primary, I am not sure you would have put any of them left of Obama in 2008. On gay marriage, all of them in 2008 were right of where the country as a whole is today. But after 12 of 16 years under D presidents, are we anywhere closer to looking like Europe on many other issues? Minimum wages, healthcare, taxes, unions, the border, abortion, foreign policy, guns? Not seeing much there. Green energy might be the other D âwinâ where tax credits have been popular in advancing the technology, but much of that might be market driven.
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Wait if weâre only talking about Ds who made it past the primary then weâre talking Obama v Biden.
Youâre saying Biden is considerably left of Obama?
Wasnât Obama rated the most liberal Senator? And therefore Biden, also a Senator⌠was NOT rated the most liberal Senator?
Granted, Obama hadnât done a lot of voting, but stillâŚ
Obama was âratedâ the most liberal Senator by a group that cherry picked votes in order to get that result. Does anyone really think that Obama was close to as liberal as Sanders? Or that Clinton was ever really the most liberal Senator (which other Republican rankings claimed)?
If you do PCA on Senate votes, Obama wasnât even the most liberal senator in his state and was middle of the D pack.
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Where was Biden?
Also the year Obama got most liberal was Sandersâ first year in office. I assume he was rated but I canât find the actual list. (McCain was not rated because he had missed too many votes.)
I donât know, it was 16 years ago and I didnât care about Biden very much.
Ok, well the question was Obama v Biden.
Sanders is what I would call a traditional leftist. His positions are mostly centered around income inequality, taxation, and corporate regulations. I donât think heâs more liberal than Obama.
This is something that really bothers me, people in the USA have conflated the terms âliberalâ with âleftistâ. They are not the same.
https://www.lawrentian.com/archives/1022577
It is vital that, when engaging in political discourse, one has an understanding of the full political spectrum in order to have a proper conversation. I know I personally have had countless conversations with people about my own incredibly left-leaning politics where they argue with me as if I am a liberal, simply because they are not aware of beliefs more left-leaning than liberalism. Leftism and liberalism are two mightily different things, and I heavily encourage anyone who is going to enter a political conversation to know the difference between the two and know what each ideology really stands for.
The majority of south america is leftist and very conservative.
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I donât think Iâd call Sanders all that liberal. Particularly in a capital L sense.
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âConservativesâ have conflated the terms, with incredible success. Meanwhile, theyâve gone from talking about smaller, less intrusive government and more individual freedoms to âgovernment that is larger for defense and national security interest payments, smaller for everything else so in total itâs at least the same size, if not larger yetâ and âgovernment dictating what individual freedoms you can have as divined from a religious dogmaâ and Democrats are still trying to hold small-group meetings to shape large-group meetings to figure out if they should point out that hypocrisy.
Nope. But since this is about the D party, not an individual, are you saying the Ds party as a whole is moving to the right over the past 8 years? I sure donât think so.
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If youâre bored (I always am). Go to this website, pick senate, the 110th congress, and pick tabular. Obama was 19th and Biden was 26th. Obviously neither was anywhere near Bernie, lol.
Also overall, you appear to be correct, the D party is moving left instead of right. At least in terms of relative votes.
But this is why i point out the presidential nominees have been largely pulled from the center and actual policy direction does not reflect the shift left.
In contrast, Republicans have gone all in maga at all levels, including the Supreme Court.
Iâm sure the democrats are just one strong candidate away from doing the same, but that person has not yet emerged.
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No, we were responding to a post about individuals. For reference:
(emphasis mine)
So for 2008 and 2020 that would be Obama and Biden. Not Sanders, not the party as a whole. Obama and Biden.
And Hillary Clinton.