UK General Election 2024

In Clacton (Essex), he does.

Leave vote was 70% there, and UKIP had an MP before.

Plus, this election is going to be an absolute wipeout for the Tories, so I could see some ex-Tories voting reform (vs staying home).

They are already talking about a Canadian 1993 moment given how bad the polling is now with reform in the picture as well.

I do think that other than money (he is a grifter) and ego, he also wants to see if he can destroy the current Tory party (he definitely wants a much more right-wing party around like the ERG types. Specially around immigration.

Adding in this graph for Clacton (based on age over 65 proportion and Brexit vote)

This made my day today:

I had not thought about the Canadian comparison before but there are some parallels as I think about it.

The 1993 Canadian Conservatives not only lost their majority but were reduced to only two seats in Parliament. I expect there are sufficient dedicated Tory voters in the UK to elect more MPs than that. Canadians are more flexible in their voting habits as few are tied to a particular party. I have voted for four different parties here over the years and that is not unusual.

The most rigid voters in the West are probably the Americans: the swing vote seems pretty small percentage wise. The 1993 Canadian Conservatives’ share of the votes cast went from 43% to 16%. Could not imagine anywhere near that swing in the US in the Presidential popular vote as voters there mostly stick to their party’s candidate.

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I am ignorant regarding UK politics except at a very shallow level. So for those able to read the room, could the UK be coming out of its neoliberal fever dream? That would please me greatly, and hopefully spread across the pond.

For context (from Wikipedia)

I’ll admit that I was a little surprised to be reminded that, despite the perception of a landslide, Regan only had an 18% popular vote margin over Mondale.

You can find some pretty wide popular margins in the early 1800’s, but politics were different then, and some states relied on the state legislature to instruct electors to the Electoral College, rather than popular votes.

Thanks for this. Very interesting.

The swings from election to election since Reagan’s tenure have been fairly modest but some of the swings before then were fairly significant.

Could one conclude that Americans have become more loyal to their party in the last 30 years and/or become more polarized?

Possibly. The overton window is shifting back to the center a bit but there are many caveats.

What will happen now in the GE is that Tories will be trounced, but from the looks of things a much nastier far right party will emerge from the ashes (similar to the GOP in the US who went even more to the right after losing in 2016).

The reason for the lurch is that the UK has extensive economic damage. This will become clear to the population over the next few years so they will be looking for someone to blame when they get poorer. The right will then use this to their advantage (by targeting immigrants, the “metropolitan elite” etc.)

I would be careful drawing too many conclusions about the 100 years prior to where I cut off the screen grab. The margins of victory were still relatively narrow for most elections, but there was still more volatility than we’ve seen over the past few cycles.

I think (but am not certain) that if I had an analogous exhibit documenting party membership vs elligible voters, it would show that the proportion of voters who are members of parties has been generally declining, although there would perhaps be some noise if states changed laws about eligibility to vote in primaries.

Admittedly, some of that decline would be the result of the decline of the big, corrupt party machines that dominated life in some cities and regions. There was a time when, if you wanted to succeed in certain businesses, in certain places, you needed to belong to and support the local Boss’ party (and grease the Boss’ peoples’ palms).

There’s certainly corruption today…but it’s not as openly, blatantly linked to parties.

In American politics there has always been a tendency for party strength to be linked to regionalism, and with certain exceptions that regionalism has had a divisive effect.

One way things are different now (I hesitate to say “new” because parts of this have occurred before, some form or fashion), I think, are the simple fact that demographics have caused “them” and “us” to have about equal strength, causing the two sides to have to work a little bit harder to eke out marginal gains.

Another difference, this one obvious, is the change in how we communicate. With more opportunities to have broad audiences now, the conditions are set for idiots and uncivil folks to get their message out, to find populated echo chambers to amplify their messages, etc. That makes the polarization more visible, promotes more extreme politicians who are able to capitalize on that polarization, etc. However, even this difference isn’t necessarily new.

It took more work, but I think you can find examples of the echo chamber phenomenon in American history in the 1760’s - 1780’s. The only reason the polarization that existed then doesn’t stick in our memories is that migration eased some of the pressure – new immigrants arriving in North America, folks moving out to and beyond the frontiers of European settlement, Tories/Loyalists moving to Québec and Nova Scotia (sometimes voluntarily, sometimes not)… It wasn’t talk radio and online social media, but dang there were a lot of local newspapers dominated by opinion and gossip moving throughout the 13 colonies, and lots of local groups organized to ensure that opinion and gossip were propagated and adhered to.

It is the likely end of the UKs Conservative party in its current form. This started with Brexit and was culminated by their response to Covid and their poor choice of leaders.

Worth a read if you have a few minutes (free gift link)

Behold the final casualties of Brexit - Behold the final casualties of Brexit via @FT

I’m reading that just over 30% of the UK feels Brexit was a good move and over 50% say it was bad.

How is this guy still popular? I say from the US, where we might elect a felonious raping fraud to the executive office.

He is popular because he focuses on the 30% (who are usually the loudest extremists in the room. They also tend to be older) and the media gives him a lot of coverage.

The Brexit divide was 60/40 [good for UK/bad for UK] due to the huge levels of toxic nationalistic nostalgia
that Boris unleashed in the run-up to the 2019 GE.

Predictably, as the Brexit damage compounded (the UK only really left the EU in 2021), and lots of older people started dying off due to demographics (they voted for Brexit) that 60/40 in 2019 became 30/50 in 2024.

Of course, Farage went off to the US while the Brexit damage was increasing in the UK (2021 to 2024).

And now that the Brexit damage has reached levels that have effectively put the UKs public finances in serious danger, people are very angry at the state of the country and looking for “someone” to blame.

Enter Farage again. He feeds on these feelings.

He manipulates that anger against the Tories (saying that Brexit wasnt pure enough) and immigrants (legal and illegal).

In addition to what I read in The Guardian, which has non-stop criticism of the Tories, my London daughter and SIL provide many criticisms of Tory actions and policies.

The support for Brexit by Boris is probably top of the list since Brexit has been negative for the UK. Tory austerity has also been negative: NHS service has deteriorated as a result. They are also critical of Tory immigration policy.

There just seems to be a general malaise about how the UK is doing and the party in power generally pays the price for that!

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This was predicted by smart people who were not listened to by the dumb people. And the UK apparently has dumb people.

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My fear is that I don’t Starmer is up to the job of dealing with the issues and we’ll end up with a far right government next election.

Ifyp

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Funny how every country has such groups.

Even some of the smarter Brits that I know who voted for Brexit could not give a reason for their intention other than not wanting to be tied to Europe. It was impossible to elicit from them a specific advantage as to how life would be better after exiting Europe as it was more about inaccurate nostalgia.

People’s idyllic memories of the past can be clouded by emotion.

A gift for Farage and Reform. Sunak really does not do politics well.

Further entrenches my belief this will be a massive wipeout for the Tories.

I never thought a UK PM would skip D-Day activities. What an idiot.

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“I wasn’t even alive then. How do we know it even happened??”

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Good article by John M. on the FT about the debacle of the Tory collapse since 2019.

It boils down to: Boris promised a lot to competing sides in 2019 to “Get Brexit done”, but the Conservatives simply didn’t deliver. Ergo, they are hated by all sides now.

I was always in the camp of: the only way to pull the mask off the economic lunacy of Brexit was its own attempted implementation (it would be like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole). Turns out I was right on that one given the collapse in Tory support since 2019.

The seeds of the Tory collapse were sown in 2019 - The seeds of the Tory collapse were sown in 2019 via @FT

Hmm… This doesn’t sound good

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