Trump's Impact on Culture

I’ll start off with a personal anecdote, partially to vent and partially to set up an example for the topic, block quoted so you can skip if you wish as I tend to ramble on a bit (TLDR afterward). If this fits better into another topic (Masks? One of the many existing “Trump” ones? Studies with obvious results?) or does not merit a topic I’m happy to move or remove.

I live and commute in a blue county within a blue state. This morning I was taking public transit to work and wearing a mask, as I have every commute since lockdowns ended. I approach a bus stop and briefly look up to two buddies having a conversation, then I turn and stop to wait for the bus. One of the gentlemen changes the conversation to start talking to his buddy about masks—how it doesn’t make sense to wear them, how they’re dumb, how I’m wearing the mask because I’m scared, how he’s scared of me because I’m wearing the mask, how masks aren’t necessary because “the mountains cleanse the air” (he knows since he’s been here 20 years, if I were more confrontational at that point I would have welcomed him as he’s a relative newbie to the area), etc. His buddy is mostly just passively agreeing, though he does at one point mention he didn’t get any vaccines, only for the main heckler to say he does have vaccines. At no point do they mention the election or other politics. I do not look at them or engage in any way. After about 5 minutes of this, the bus comes and I board. In 4 years of wearing masks I’ve never once been heckled, I figure it was bound to happen sooner or later and it’s finally happened. I think nothing else of it.

The heckler and his buddy sit at the front of the bus, and I sit in the far back row (no one else was in the row). I’m on my phone, not really paying attention as over the next several stops several people board and deboard. After some time I become aware of a gentleman now sitting on the other side of my row muttering to himself about masks. I do not look at him at any point, but I assume it is not the same person as earlier, unless that person moved seats without his buddy after several stops just to sit closer to me. Over the roar of the [engine? forced air? idk how busses work, whatever’s loud and in the back] and road noise it’s hard to make out what he’s saying, but he clearly does not like masks. Eventually he escalates to saying to himself that I ought to go back to Japan (??? I don’t look even slightly Japanese). After several minutes, he escalates more and starts describing to himself how badly he wants to punch me in the face as hard as he can.

Now, I’ve been punched in the face on public transit before, years ago for unrelated reasons. In retrospect there were clear signs it was going to happen, but I was too dense to see them until it happened. Even I’m not dense enough to miss that things might go badly if I sit with this gentleman for another half hour though. The next time someone signaled for a stop, I deboarded and waited for the next bus.

It was at this point that it hit me (pun intended?)—this is my first time commuting since the election. Did I just have terrible luck, or is it related to the election, or something else? One person heckling me I could imagine, but two on the same day after 4 years of nothing? I may try wearing my mask on the way home tonight (for science), but perhaps after that it will be time to retire the mask.

TLDR, two (presumably separate) gentlemen heckled me for several minutes each this morning for wearing a mask, and I wonder if the recent election is the cause or just coincidence.

I don’t post much in politics here because I don’t do well with confrontation and because I don’t usually feel like I have much to add, but just so you know where I’m coming from: I wasn’t going into this week looking for things to pin on President-Elect Trump. I’m a republican who hesitantly voted for VP Harris in the election, but I’ve been optimistic that a Trump Presidency will not be so bad as many believe. This experience has tempered my optimism.

So questions for the topic: Have you noticed people suddenly speaking or acting differently toward others since the election? If so, is this a temporary spike in people acting “MAGA”, or will things normalize (or get even worse) as time goes on? All anecdotes are welcome, but especially those with offline situations, not because acting poorly online is okay, but more because in my (very limited) experience people generally seem more able to act reasonably toward each other offline than online. It’s my sense that online discriminatory rhetoric has picked up, though I don’t have any traditional social media so haven’t really experienced that.

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I don’t know, but after years of trying to tone myself down and deciding I wasn’t going to wear any pointedly confrontational tshirt any more, I found myself taking my last confrontational tshirt out of the donate pile and putting it back into rotation. And my band is probably going into We Are The World in the last song rather than the Sanford And Sons QJones tribute I’d planned. And we’re definitely playing Not Ready To Make Nice. And Up Against the Wall Redneck Mother. And removed All Summer Long from the Werewolves/SweetHome medley.

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Have I noticed a sudden change since the election? No, but I don’t get out much.

Are some people horrible towards others? Yes.

Has the rate/degree of horribleness increased over the past couple of decades? I perceive a gradual increase, but my experience isn’t necessarily typical.

Has Trump’s victory triggered a burst of such behavior? Perhaps.

I do recall a short-term increased occurrence of some nastiness after the 2016 election. Also, I’m aware that some blue-leaning folks have said that they’re reducing contact with red-leaning folks in the wake of the election, which could also be perceived as nastiness by some and/or be triggering some instances of nastiness.

FWIW, since I started traveling again after COVID vaccination, I’ve been verbally assaulted a few times (in deep red areas) for wearing a mask, including one instance where I was concerned about an escalation. However, my rule of thumb about wearing masks has been that, aside from medical environments and pharmacies, I only mask when doing so would not be very remarkable (in part because of those verbal assaults)…so I haven’t been in a situation to know whether mask-related nastiness is more or less frequent, or impacted by the election.

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I’ve seen a lot of posts on twitter about women who voted for Kamala vowing to shave their heads and wear masks full-time for the next 4 years as a way of recognizing each other. Weird stuff like that probably has a tangible effect on how some people react to mask-wearing under non-pandemic circumstances.

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Very few people wear masks in public around here. My default assumption is they are medically vulnerable or adjacent to someone else who is, so I try to not crowd them as I am maskless nowadays (with rare exception). If I came across a masked person who was physically imposing, and moved in a way that indicated they were healthy, I might be worried they were using the mask to be more anonymous with possible bad intent. In that case I’d be afraid to voice an intent to punch their face for fear of how they would respond.
I don’t think engaging this person would have been safe for you either. They clearly have a lot of suffering and the pandemic crushed their illusion of having control over their own life, hence their hatred of being reminded about it. If they demanded a response you might tell them you are very ugly and the mask keeps small children from crying and adults from running away in fright.

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Ooo, I like those excuses for wearing a mask :laughing: If they had been more in my face I probably could have come up with a reason or two that would be palatable for them, as I have several reasons (some I imagine more palatable than others)

  • It’s cold! I have circulatory issues, might as well stay as warm as I can.
  • If there’s people willing to attack me maybe it’s best I not show my face in public…
  • My kids have had a cold the past week, though I don’t think I’ve caught it.
  • I think my wife likes me wearing a mask on transit just to be extra safe.
  • To my knowledge, the most recent CDC guidance specifically regarding masks on public transit is that everyone is recommended to wear one (link). Sure they haven’t updated that guidance for years, but to my knowledge they haven’t formally rescinded it either? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

But as I said above, I’ll probably do away with the mask at this point. I hadn’t thought about the perspective that people might be worried I have bad intent, so I will keep that in mind. I hear stories of people getting harassed for looking or dressing a certain way of course, but I was surprised to have it happen to me twice all of a sudden. I’m glad for me it’s as easy as taking off a mask, I know for others it’s not always so easy to blend in.

Trump enables assholes to act like bigger assholes in public, since his election sort of validates their being assholes. Most of this I see on social media, like parades of people in Trump boats or large trucks with Trump flags. But these people were assholes before Trump. I had been a target of coal rolling a few times by assholes in modified diesel trucks, before Trump was even a candidate. One of the trucks was flying a confederate flag and almost certainly replaced this with a Trump flag more recently.

There are Karens on the other side as well, trying to dictate the behavior of others. Some of that was enabled by the mask thing, but they were always a Karen before Trump and before COVID.

So I think the number of assholes hasn’t changed much, but their affiliation with politics has become clearer in the Trump era, and some have decided to be more up front about it all.

We were at the airport on Saturday and overheard older people wearing masks bitching about people who wear masks.

Draw your own conclusions.

Eh. My publicly-stated reason for masking has always been, “You don’t know where I’ve been.”
My privately-kept reason has always been, “I don’t know where YOU’VE been.”

I’ll wear a mask in extremely closed places, like airplanes (I DNGAF how good the ventilation is when the person next to me is coughing).I’ll wear one in extremely crowded places. I don’t want anyone’s germs no matter how immune I think I am. I am protecting elders that I know who are susceptible. Others might not care about their elders, but I am not in control of them. Just myself.
Saw an asshat with a red asshat at the Smart-N-Final the other day. Saw a jack-hole with jackhole flags on his truck. They WANT a confrontation, because they think they win whenever someone comments on it. Sucking up those “liberal tears” and fucking your feelings. Sorry group and I generally disassociate from those who cannot see reason. This makes them a lot easier to identify.

There’s also the impact that Trump had across the aisle.
I’ve heard people say straight out that they won’t be friends with any Republicans. My former boss told me that she was picking up her kids for school, and another mom said to her, “I look for Trump bumper stickers, so I know who not to set up my kids for play dates with.” She didn’t know my former boss was a conservative. Maxine Waters encouraged people to attack Republican members of Congress - I doubt that would have happened before Trump.

Didn’t happen. Again, thinking that other people’s interpretation of what was said, rather than exactly what was said, is the Truth if you believe them.
Simple Google search, if you have access to the internet, could stop you from posting and removing all doubt:

Also this:

No attacking, just confronting, though maybe it feels like an attack when it is certain people.

Also, not members of Congress. Jackass Cabinet members.

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Trump’s general tactic has been to divide people and then hope he is on the side that wins. He even creates division on things that you expect a reasonable person to not do like the Fema thing. So if he expects a walk in the park he is being naive.

Dementia is my conclusion

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WTH

This is illegal, by the way. It’s assault. I don’t know if you had a hope of him getting in trouble for it (probably not), but this is not on the same level as someone loudly saying that masks are dumb and discussing this topic for 5 minutes straight.

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FWIW it’s not just a Trump tactic. In the weeks leading up to the election if you were voting for Trump I heard Nazi, garbage, even just a simple asshole, some were even from posts on here. It is on both sides the tactic is to divide enough that one side hates/is scared of the other side and votes on your side

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I think it is time we recognize that Trump is not trying to divide us, rather he is just taking advantage of the divisions that already exist. Those divisions will give him a lot of runway to do some seriously shitty things over the next 4 years if we don’t have serious conversations about if they reflect who we want to be as a nation.

Yes, it is a bit circular in that his rhetoric and the echo chambers on social media further legitimize these views, but there are better ways of challenging all this than calling them all nazis.

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You’re not wrong, but it does highlight the challenge of how one expresses existential concern wihtout crossing the bounds of civility.

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A friend of mine shared a confrontation they had on facebook… He was on an elevator. There were 3 women there, and a man came in and said he likes rape and would spit on the women. And that he could say that now that Trump won.

I can confirm that my friend is a real person who doesn’t gossip, exaggerate, or even make political posts.

I can’t confirm any details though, like what level of ‘joking’ was involved.

It wouldn’t surprise me too much if aggressive/violent/criminal people celebrated Trump in their own particular way. I would assume (hope) that it’s merely a celebration rather than a permanent acceptance of anti-social behavior, but who knows.

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Sorry you had to deal with a such a complete dick, btw.

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Get off twitter.

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