I’m late to this thread but lol. DeSantis doesn’t have that authority, he’s a blowhard.
He knows this though, he’s just trying to score his brownie points for being a Trump toadie while hoping that the indictment sinks him and he floats to the top.
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A literal reading of DeSantis’ statement would be that he won’t have any Florida law enforcement personnel arrest Trump or transport him to the airport, and instead make NY send people down to get Trump. He didn’t say he would stop the extradition, just that Florida would not assist.
Edit: Nevermind, re-read the extradition clause. It requires the state to assist in the extradition, not just allow it.
If the trial were to progress quickly…Trump wouldn’t be the first person to campaign for President from jail.
The NYT is running a piece on other politicians and their indictments. Included in the list: Eugene V Debs
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Like 50% of the country ****ing hates Trump. Probably hard to find an unbiased judge and jury in that sense.
And 49% worships the ground he walks on… leaving 1% that would be suitable jurors.
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The idea that jurors have to be unbiased is a pop culture myth. What judges require are jurors who are willing to try to put aside their biases. For example, one of the Manafort jurors said in post-trial interviews that was a big Trump fan and went into the trial with an admitted bias thinking that the charges were bs. She found the evidence over whelming and vote to convict.
I’ve been in the jury selection process 4 times and impaneled 3 times. The time I was kicked off the jury, the prosecutor was kicking minorities off the jury, defense attorney was kicking white people off (defendant was black).
The 2 criminal trials I was a juror for were ones in which it was reasonable to think that I would be biased for the prosecution. First was when I was in college, case was about B&E at a nearby college. 2 jurors were excused to get me on the jury, presumably ADA wanted me there.
The other criminal trial was a rape trial. 120 potential jurors were brought into the court room, each of us questioned independently by judge and attorneys about our biases and history with sexual assault. I said that my ex-girlfriend had been raped, and I would be biased against the defendant. Also said the fact that the trial was about a same sex rape wouldn’t matter. Got selected. Based on the final jury composition, the defense attorney mostly cared about homophobia.
I despise trump, but could probably be an impartial juror. I don’t think justice would be served by convicting him on false charges.
I was at a presentation by some of the top people in my employer’s claims department this week. One of them recently served as a juror on a case about an auto accident, despite having told the lawyers what he did for a living.
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True, I served on a jury in a criminal case where one of the jurors was a defense attorney by trade. So obviously the prosecutor thought he could be unbiased.
Guess who voted “not guilty” on all charges?
Prosecutor was wrong.
I probably could too. But then I’m obsessed with truth and accuracy.
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Same. But I honestly think that people like you & Lucy & I are in the minority. Not on this forum, but among the population at large.
Even on this forum or AO before it, when I’ve said things in defense of Trump or his family I’ve been heavily criticized. But probably a lot less than if I’d posted similar comments on NextDoor or Reddit.
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In my experience from being a juror, the juror’s job is to determine if the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt that the acted in a way that violated the law. The prosecutor spent a significant time explaining to us what the law was. DT’s current defense is that what he did isn’t a crime. A jury can return a not guilty verdict if they believe it’s an unjust law or unjust arrest. It’s called jury notification. I’m really curious if the defenses strategy will be jury nullification.
nullification right?
Fox should be careful here.
They are sitting on two election voting cases against them right now that could sock them with $3.2 billion of losses.
In the abstract sense, the criminal and unethical behavior shown by Trump and Fox over his Presidency is finally coming to a head.
Fox looks like it will lose badly, while Trump may win this one (its really not an airtight case from what I can see).
It does however look like the indictment has wounded him (his advisors were shocked as they assumed as an ex-President it would never happen), and now the sharks are circling (DeSantis is far more dangerous than most people appreciate), with far more serious cases waiting for Trump in the background.
If Trump wins the case, he will go full Trump for elections (this would be very bad), so I am in the “hoping he gets found guilty” column. Another issue is that even if found guilty, he can still appeal so could drag this out for quite some time (its also possible he might get “friendly judges” on appeal and verdict gets squashed).
Thats my expectation here. FOX loses and Trump gets found guilty, but he then stalls and appeals. This generally means he will be around for the next election.
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Yes, of course
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I think it would be best to wait until we see what charges are in the indictment before expressing such opinions.
When Michael Cohen pled guilty to his part of the Stormy Daniels mess, the charges were:
- 5 counts of personal tax evasion (max sentence of 5 years, $100k per)
- Making false statements to a financial institution in light of a credit decision (max sentence 30 years, $1m)
- 2 counts of campaign finance violations (max sentence of 5 years, $250k per)
And as I’ve mentioned above, with at least 30 counts against Trump rumored, I wouldn’t be at all certain that the charges are just related to the Stormy Daniels matter.
If it were just the Stormy Daniels payment, I’d agree that it doesn’t feel like a strong case. But if they get into things like obstruction or tax shenanigans…
Sadly, I agree with everything you wrote.
Just curious…
Let me know if this is a crazy scenario.
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Trump gets indicted on the classified documents case (Espionage Act applies)
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Trump wins primary and becomes GOP nominee
How would that work on the ground?
You literally have a guy running for President who has been indicted by the Federal Govt via the Espionage Act.
I’m not going to speculate if Trump will or will not be found guilty when nobody except the prosecutor and the grand jurors know what the charges are.
[GOP BS]The republican nominee for President can’t be charged with a federal crime[/GOP BS]
Technically there is nothing that prevents a convicted felon currently serving in a penitentiary from running, winning, and serving as POTUS. Obviously that would be unprecedented. I would think that most likely Congress would impeach and actually remove from office as obviously the President has committed “high crimes and misdemeanors”. That would turn things over to the VPOTUS, so it would essentially put the felon in the position of having hand-picked the POTUS.