Thread to discuss when the police kill a civilian

Blind guessing without having looked into the context - Black boy around 11 years old holding a toy gun in his fenced-in backyard? Because I remember that video, I take longer to get out of the car than they did exiting and shooting him dead. Okay, going in now…

Nope! Different one. Should have been clued in by the mother who wasn’t shot in the one I was thinking of.

Sometimes police face consequences for behaving badly.

https://www.kron4.com/news/bay-area/antioch-police-officers-arrested-by-fbi-mayor-says/

First thought: “Wow, most of those charged are held on bail instead of paid administrative leave, I can’t believe it.”

Second thought: “Oh, 45% of Antioch’s police force is on paid administrative leave for their racist texts.”

The guy taking the exams impersonated four men (one with a beard) and two women. That’s impressive.

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Leonard Allan Cure, freed after wrongful conviction, shot dead in traffic stop : NPR

[sarc] Probably would have been safer in prison. [/sarc]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/i-cant-breathe-black-man-ohio-tells-police-before-he-died-video-shows-2024-04-26/

Just in time for a summer of protests.

Bodycam video of the encounter has been released and is making the rounds.

Yeah the bodycam also shows Crump is, as usual, full of it. The “cops” didn’t “burst” through the door and went to the apartment number they were given. The single deputy did announce himself, twice.

This looks to be a tragic accident. The deputy may have been given the wrong apartment. No way to know if Fortson heard the announcements of Sherriff or not. The deputy may have been quick on the trigger. Problem with that is you have a few seconds or less to react when you see a gun if the person holding it intends to shoot you.

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CNN link
Verbiage uses passive voice regarding the door being opened (doesn’t identify who opened door). I really don’t want to watch to draw my own conclusion, but the lawyer’s initial description is misleading based on later statements. It does sound like officer went to apartment number the complainant reported, but that apartment wasn’t the source of the noise (if there was noise). Terrible result regardless.

Any disentanglement of causation/correlation? Is there a higher gun ownership rate among poorer folks?

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There is definitely a correlation between guns in the house and criminal activity. I wonder how they controlled for that.

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That was part of the study:

Finally, in measuring homicide risks, when we compared people who were living with handgun owners to people who were not, the comparisons were always made between people residing in the same neighborhood. This approach helped ensure that local conditions, like crime rates and economic conditions, had minimal impact on our calculations.

People living with handgun owners died by homicide at twice the rate of their neighbors in gun-free homes. That difference was driven largely by homicides at home, which were three times more common among people living with handgun owners.

We detected much larger differences for particular types of homicide. Most notably, people living with handgun owners were seven times more likely to be shot by their spouse or intimate partner. In many of these cases, instead of being protective, the household gun probably operated as the instrument of death.

Notably, homicide by strangers didn’t seem to be impacted by whether or not the resident owned a gun.

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On the “homicide by strangers” line, there’s this:

I am, however, going to point out a possible flaw with drawing that conclusion: the study focused on homicides. There are documented instances where brandishing a firearm has ended attempted (mostly property) crimes. Such instances are fewer than some gun-rights advocates’ arguments would suggest, however…and then there’s the consideration of whether the existence of “good guys with guns” fuels some kind of arms race, with would-be “bad guys” seeking more/“better” weapons in response to perceptions of how armed “good guys” might be.

That being said, I’m not unaware that the few times where I have actively carried, my carrying was probably to make me feel more secure, rather than objectively providing additional security,

I’m not sure if they included accidental gun deaths under homicide (e.g. toddler playing with an unsecured firearm).

There is a correlation between guns in the house and:
-being shot by your spouse
-being shot by your kid
-shooting yourself accidentally
-shooting yourself intentionally
-accidentally shooting someone else
-intentionally shooting someone else
-several other negative outcomes that involve the discharge of a firearm
Newer additions to the list:
-getting shot accidentally by police showing up to the wrong address
-shooting pets and writing about it years later killing your “shot” at being VP.

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We’re horribly late here, but …

Short: she called police to report a prowler outside. He showed up, she asked to go deal with a boiling pot of water, he said OK. Then he drew a gun on her and shot her in the face, then told his partner not to bother with medical treatment.

Not shockingly, there were signs of trouble well before this.

If only there had been warnings signs …

Any kind of a sign … anything …

And, he apparently lied about what he wrote in his report because it didn’t match his dashcam video.

Any sign … anything at all. Well, until then we’ll just keep passing him to the next department and not say anything. What’s the worst that could happen?

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The guy sounds like a moron. I’m not sure who’s the bigger dummy. Grayson or the supervisor who didn’t fire him for incompetence. Surely the supervisor should have realized the financial risk and the risk to the public they were creating by not firing a clearly incompetent officer.

Well, we won’t have to worry about seeing police do shitty shit to American Citizens anymore:

Very biased article.