I enjoy the extra hour of sunlight in the summer, but it’s hard to get my kids to sleep. We have blackout curtains though, so it works out ok.
Would not want daylight time year round. It is hard enough to wake up in the winter, making it darker for longer in the mornings is torture for me.
A lot of systems aren’t working right now (esp. time-limited tokens for login, etc.) because their time isn’t coordinated with mine.
So, when I asked for an emailed receipt from Staples on Sunday, it was printed out instead, and this morning, I couldn’t login to FundFire.
Phone home
It’s nothing like that, penis breath!
I get the reference, but I’ve never seen the film.
Not exactly a cogent argument, imo…
Interesting about Jewish sunrise prayers. I guess some are stricter than others - this morning I went to a morning prayer service that started well before sunrise. One interesting part about flying to Israel is seeing the groups of Orthodox Jews praying when the sun goes up.
I could read this, so here are some highlights:
An AP-NORC poll in 2019 is the most recent to have tested this. It showed Americans generally liked the idea of keeping the clocks constant. But while 31 percent wanted them to be on daylight saving time constantly, 40 percent wanted them set to standard time and left there.
So, too many (more than a third) prefer early morning sunlight. And too many (more than a third) prefer late afternoon sunlight.
And this is why clocks won’t not change. Best to compromise and make everyone unhappy, I guess.
Downing and others have highlighted a number of other problems not just with year-round daylight saving time, but even with past efforts by Congress to extend it. Among them:
- It puts clocks out of sync with Europe, which has standard time between late October and late March, creating problems in the trade and travel sectors.
- It makes it more difficult for various religions to practice rituals at home, such as sunrise prayers for Jews.
- It might actually increase gasoline consumption, given that people will have more time in the evening to go outside.
- Despite the widespread belief that it’s meant to benefit farmers, they actually really dislike it and have consistently lobbied against it since World War I.
Rebuttal, one at a time:
The embedded video did not note the most important reason for people preferring lighter mornings or evenings relative to clock time: PEOPLE’S PREFERENCES!
To me the gradual changes of time of sunrise and sunset are natural. An hour shift twice a year is jarring. I don’t have a preference either way (Standard or Daylight), just stop the changing of clocks.
I live in Arizona, and my parents came down for a visit this week. They left Sunday afternoon and stayed in Mesquite that night, arriving in Phoenix Monday afternoon. For some reason, while they were in Nevada, they realized they hadn’t adjusted the clock in their car to Utah’s new time - so they did it. Forget that now the clock would be the wrong time for anywhere they were going to be for the next few days.
Then last night my mom made some comment about it getting late early. Come on, mom - your time changed about 12 hours before you left Utah. You haven’t acclimated to the time change yet.
I would be interested in seeing the 31% and 40% broken out by where in the timezone they live? Eastern portion or Western portion.
Would a compromise be dividing the US into 5 time zones and redrawing where those lines are or should we consider a 30 min spring forward? I could be convinced either way, as both are better than a twice-yearly change.
Might need eight time zones, half-hour apart.
It takes me a good week to get over the spring leap forward. :heynow:
…or 240 time zones, a minute apart.
…or we could go China on the bit and just go with one huge time zone…might as well just go with China Standard Time while we’re at it since they’ll own us soon enough. [/red][/red][/red]
IFYP
US has six* times zones for the 50 states.
*There are two more that cover additional US possessions.
Well, AK and HI and possessions can do whatever they want.
Well, these two are directly impacted by what Congress decides to do.
Well, not HI. And AK never gets that saved hour of daylight. As a matter of fact, it’s all dark (in the winter). There is a bill pending in AK.
I don’t think HI state legislature or its Prop ballot system has decided anything about which time zone it prefers.
AK is special because its own sunrises differ today (near the equinox) by over two hours between Nome and Juneau.
I prefer year-round standard time, TBH.
Year-round standard time is an energy-saver, I think, due to less hours of running home air conditioners. Or will be if we ever go back to working in office buildings anyway.
And it helps with the issue of little kids waiting for the school bus in the dark, which I think was a safety issue in the 70s.
I think the fact that the US does DST differently than Europe is a bigger issue than Hawaii & Arizona not doing it at all, although I’m guessing both are more of a pain in the ass than we non-travel-sector folks realize. It certainly complicates calculating arrival times on flights, particularly for flights that are in the air during the switching, which is now 4x a year.
I briefly worked for a travel agent in college and this came up when we’d try to prepare itineraries for clients who were traveling over the switch.
A relative works for a television network and mentioned that their overnight ratings are messed up during “fall back” because the programs that collect the data and calculate the ratings can’t handle two different and distinct periods of 1 AM - 2 AM on the same day. So the viewing data they collect from both periods gets logged into the same hour, which is roughly twice as much as it should be for either hour, and all the networks have a ratings spike that hour and they have no idea which 1 AM to 2 AM period people were watching.
Spring forward works ok, because the data accurately shows that absolutely no one is watching from 1 AM to 2 AM, but the share calculation gets screwed up by having a zero denominator. Less of an issue in the spring than the fall.
It screws up overtime for places that staff 24/7. When I was on the condo board we had to budget for an hour of overtime for the night security guard since his shift lasted 9 hours instead of 8 that day each fall. I mean, not the end of the world or anything, and for us it was only one person. But it’s kind of obnoxious nonetheless. Same guy was, of course, docked an hour of pay in the spring when he had a 7 hour shift, so it really only cost us the overtime pay… so half an hour’s wages once a year.
The HOA of an upscale condominium can probably more readily absorb that for a single employee than a hospital or factory can for every single night shift worker. I mean, they do it, but there’s a cost.
I think it’s reasonable to assume that the time of sunset / sunrise will have a behavioral change associated with it.
My dairy farmer uncle hates it. The milk truck follows DST but the cows do not. So he’s not through milking when the milk truck comes and then it’s an issue. I mean he’s adjusted now and starts milking the cows 5/10/15/20/etc minutes early for several days before DST happens (however long he needs to ensure that he’s done before the truck arrives which isn’t the full hour) but it’s obnoxious as hell.
I suppose a wheat or corn farmer is probably more independent and free to do his own thing when he wants to so they might not care as much; I’m not sure. I don’t have as much insight into those types of farms.