Today is going to be interesting given last night’s results. This is a powder keg with the lid off setting in a gasoline factory with a forest fire nearby. Praying for peace above all else.
Also note how many Trumpkins fly the Trump flag over the American flag. There is a golf course near me where several homes have Trump flags only flying on their home. A house near my kids school also has a single flagpole in the center of their front yard. For years it had an American flag, it now has only a Trump flag.
It’s amazing to me how many people idealize themselves as patriotic and yet do things like this. Or my BILs who would do anything for America but wearing a mask is sheep behavior. Just busy ****ing himself off that he’s like the marines landing on D-Day, I don’t think those marines would be refusing a vaccine.
2 Likes
I haven’t read the whole thread, sorry if I’m rehashing things. Many in the pundit-sphere are suggesting that the Republican party is in the process of splintering, similar to the Whigs back in the 19th century. From Steve Schmidt of the Lincoln Project:
The die is cast for the Republican Party. It will be destroyed on January 6th in much the same way the Whig party was destroyed by the passage of the Kansas-Nebraska Act in 1854. The act unraveled the Missouri compromise and allowed for the westward expansion of slavery. 1/
The party could not survive its factionalism. There could be no more accommodation, compromise and partnership between pro-slavery and anti-slavery Whigs. A new political party was born, the Republican Party. That party will divide into irreconcilable factions on January 6th. 2/
The 6th will commence a political civil war inside the GOP. The autocratic side will roll over the pro-democracy remnant of the GOP like the Wehrmacht did the Belgian Army in 1940. The ‘22 GOP primary season will be a blood letting. The 6th will be a loyalty loyalty test. The purge 3/
will follow. Does anybody doubt the outcome of the @IvankaTrump vs. @marcorubio primary in Florida? Anyone willing to make a bet on @robportman? It turns out JFK was right. The problem of trying to ride the tiger is the likelihood of winding up inside the tiger. The poisonous 4/
Fruit from four years of collaboration and complicity with Trumps insanity, illiberalism and incompetence are ready for harvest. It will kill the GOP because it’s Pro Democracy faction and Autocratic factions can no more exist together then could the Whig Party hold together 5/
The abolitionist with the Slave master. It won’t happen over night but the destination is clear. The Conservative party in America is dead. It may continue to bear the name “Republican” but it will be no such thing. Fascism has indeed come to America and as was once predicted 6
It is wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross. This movement must be defeated. It cannot be appeased, accommodated or negotiated with. It must be recognized for what it is and we must all recognize the new age of American politics it has wrought. It has reset the debate 7/
Entirely. There are only two sides in American politics now. There is the American side and the Autocratic side. May God help us all if we falter, flag or fail in defense of American democracy. 8
Good riddance. There’s more than enough moderate Dems to form a coalition with non-fascist pre-Trump Rs, let the Autocrats split off.
The problem may be that the Republican base has swung so far right, and become so comfortable with autocracy (see all the wonderful Gallup polls pete used to post), that the second party in our two party system may not be the moderate coalition party you envision, it might be the autocratic one.
See: craven R’s that will do anything that they think moves them closer to a future presidential run, such as Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley, are signing on to the insanity. Because that’s where the base is.
Are these tweets?
Wow, tons of typo’s in there:
Two “loyalty”'s.
“it’s” instead of its.
“then” instead of “than”
Oxford comma requested in final two paragraphs.
Mainly, because tweets are forever, just like most other media formats. Honestly, I wish there were some other media. Maybe, like their own web site.
That’s certainly a scary thought. And I agree it’s crazy how quickly many in the R have accepted, even encouraged autocracy.
I would say that the GOP is in the early stages of splintering. I think the sane parts of the party (all 12 of them) are starting to realize the bargain their party made, but they don’t want to bail on the party because that’s all they’ve ever identified themselves by. They will eventually have to choose between sacrificing what they stand for and being MAGA. The vast rest of the party is MAGA and it’s arguing over how MAGA they are.
The open question is who gets to claim the party name and infrastructure. I struggle to see how the non-MAGA folks claw it back given that the party has sold itself out so thoroughly to Trump - to the point that their finances are co-mingled, probably irreversibly. It’s a golden opportunity for the Democrats to reach across and get some key people to join and really solidify control in a number of places for years to come … but it’s the Democrats, they have their own purity test issues with the progressive wing, and regardless they’ll always look for the best ways to shoot themselves in the foot.
Will the non-MAGA Republicans join forces with the Democrats to fight off the MAGA Republicans? As djdadude alludes to, it might be necessary to stave off the autocratic forces in MAGA-land. I think some of that dies off after Trump fades away, but if anyone figures out how to capture that energy and crank it up another notch it’s going to get really ugly.
For them, it seems the easiest way to stay in power.
I think Hillary’s estimate still stands: half of the GOP (MAGA) are deplorable. The other half just stood by and let them exist, content to stay in power, and seeing what happens to those who question its philosophy.
1 Like
Electoral vote certification just kicked off- live footage variously on the web including NYT. Let’s see when they get to Georgia…
ANNNND first objection in on Arizona
R’s stand and clap… dur
I just flipped on CNN. Why is Pelosi presiding? Shouldn’t it be Mike Pence?
Pence was presiding as they certified each state. They got all the way to… Arizona! before the first R objection came in. Now both houses break out to their respective chambers for R’s to grandstand for up to 2 hours. So Pelosi is presiding at the House session.
Ah, I see. Thank you. I turned it on after they split out. Appreciate the explanation.
Well this is going to be boring to watch. (The grandstanding.)
Yeah I can’t say this is worth anyone’s time. They can break out for up to two hours for EACH state that is objected on. This could take until the middle of the night.