How many of his “friends” (no, not other people, I mean him calling as someone else, as he has done in the past) called in, I wonder?
And, I do wonder what info he (or someone else) has on Cruz. Sure, it’s possible that a lot of his Texas base requires this seditious behavior or else he gets voted out in the primaries in 2024.
Interesting opinion from someone at The Atlantic:
People of goodwill across the United States want some sort of road map to oppose this cold-blooded attack on the Constitution, but none exists. As James Madison warned us, without a virtuous people, no system of checks and balances will work. The Republicans have gone from being a party that touted virtue to being the most squalid and grubby expression of institutionalized self-interest in the modern history of the American republic.
The real solution will come after all of these schemes fail. Voters must not take the bait and try to tinker with hasty legal and constitutional fixes. These, too, will fail to contain a party that is determined to destroy legal and moral norms in the pursuit of raw power. The better course is to turn our attention to the business of governing, while vowing to drive every member of the sedition caucus out of our public life, both through the ballot box and by shunning their enablers.
The members of the public and the institutions of American life should shroud these seditionists in silence and opprobrium in perpetuity: no television interviews, no sinecures at universities or think tanks, no rehabilitating book tours, no jokey late-night appearances, no self-serving op-eds.
The sedition caucus is worse than a treasonous conspiracy. At least real traitors believe in something. These people instead believe only in their own fortunes and thus will change flags and loyalties as circumstances require. They will always become what they pretend to be, and so they cannot—and must not—be trusted ever again with political power.
What is the bridge too far here before people get prosecuted for sedition? Seems to me that we’ve already crossed it.
I think your presumption about supporting an actual coup is likely incorrect, as there are plenty of Trumpkins advocating for this to happen
I presume this is all angling for the Trump vote in Presidential Primaries in 2024.
I personally have vowed to not ever vote for anyone who is party to this nonsense even though I am a middle of the road fairly regular Republican voter.
18 U.S. Code § 2384 - Seditious conspiracy
If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to
overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States,
or to levy war against them,
or to oppose by force the authority thereof,
or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States,
or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof,
they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.
“Sedition” in the US requires force. Illegal but nonviolent actions aren’t sedition.
The next section, 2385, is “Advocating the Overthrow …”. If one of the pro-Trump ralliers on Wednesday exhorts the crowd to “march on the capital and hang those treasonous democrats from the balconies”, I think that would count as advocating the overthrow.
Does force only mean physical force?
ie.. If you don’t find 18000 votes I will have your life destroyed and political ambitions derailed.
Are threats force?
I think so, but I don’t have any handy legal reference.
Well, if he tries to repel the legal activity with an equal and opposite reaction, that is also force.
So, when the former president refuses to leave the White House and is dragged out, there will be some friction he tries to apply to prevent it. That is force. But, it’s also science and what does science know?
Sedition: conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.
So, it (trying to stop legal votes from being counted, or trying to conjure up non-existing votes, or telling everyone there is enough voting fraud to not trust the election process) is definitely sedition, but in the USA not entirely illegal, according to Indy.
I like the idea of embarassing Trump, and I think his best critics use mockery instead of outrage and reason. That said, we’ve had 5 years to embarrass him, and all told I think he’d rather be embarassed than irrelevant.
Imo, this battle is less about convincing Trump, and more about convincing his followers. We can’t stop Trump from declaring “civil war” or whatever, but we might be able to stop some of masses, who don’t have personality disorders, from taking up arms.
Louis Gohmert has advocated for violence in the streets and revolution. That seems to qualify.
Flynn has called for imposing martial law and having the military run elections in states until they get the result they are looking for. That seems to qualify
You didn’t highlight the “conspire to overthrow” part of the sedition piece which seems to hit many more rank and file GOP members that just want to declare Trump the winner of states of their choosing.
You’re correct, I was differentiating between a legal standard and common (or hyperbolic?) usage.
I was responding to a post that referred to “prosecution”, so legal seemed like the correct standard.
I didn’t highlight that section because is appears to be an “and” test, so failing any one part is sufficient. I picked the part that seemed to be the weakest link.
Of course today they had no objections to any of the House & Senate results run in the same states.
Small “s” versus big “S,” I guess.
I just want them to be on record as hating their country, and ask them why.
Opinion: More on the Coup, which will dissolve into a “civil war” within the GOP:
As far as these seditious fucks, bitbpelo.