The Attempted Coup of the United States of America

Wow, that judgement is crazy big.

He’s gonna have to a lot of work on Cameo to pay that bill. Maybe he can team up with George Santos

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The jury awarded Ms. Freeman and Ms. Moss a combined $75 million in punitive damages. It also ordered Mr. Giuliani to pay compensatory damages of $16.2 million to Ms. Freeman and $16.9 million to Ms. Moss, as well as $20 million to each of them for emotional suffering.

From NYT

This is unfortunate:

A lawyer working with him said after the verdict that Mr. Giuliani was likely to file for bankruptcy protection.

I wonder if he gets to keep a primary residence. His NY apt has been listed for $6.5 million. He’s got a Palm Beach condo he tried selling for $3 million. The IRS has a lien on the condo for $500,000. His lawyer is suing him for $1.3 million. His bankruptcy lawyer will go to the top of the chain.

I wonder if the election workers will get anything.

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I hope they can collect a decent amount of that. I’m sure the appeals will drag out for some time.

Like has Alex Jones paid any of his judgment in his various trials that he lost?

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We really need to bring debtor’s prison for this kind of situation. Would love to see that ghoul rot in a cell instead of living out his days in comfort.

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I’ve read he plans to appeal. However, he’s currently being sued for at least $1M in unpaid legal fees. I’ll be curious if he can convince any attorney of legal relevance to assist.

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Hard labor is also necessary to bring all satisfaction.

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I wonder if the attorneys are just doing it for the name recognition to get other clients to pay (actually pay) much higher hourly rates than they’d been charging?

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I’d lower my opinion of a lawyer that decided to represent either Giuliani or Trump at this point. Idiots generally.

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And essentially pro bono.

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Sure.

Let’s assume that we are talking about the subset of people who are in need of the type of service this lawyer provides and there are maybe 20 lawyers to choose from with the expertise and geographic constraints you’re looking at.

A priori anyone is equally likely to choose any of the 20, so the lawyer has a 5% chance of being selected by any random client.

But after helping Trump, now there is a 0% chance that 60% of clients (Democratic & Dem leaning & Independent ones) will select this lawyer and a 50% chance that 40% of the clients (the Republican & Republican leaning ones) will select this lawyer.

Now his chance of being selected by any random client is 20%… a quadrupling. That might be worth some pro bono work to some lawyer. :woman_shrugging:

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You forgot to factor in the chance of disbarment.

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True, that seems to require some pretty egregious wrongdoing though.

Even if we assumed a 10% chance of disbarment, which seems awfully high, still an 18% chance, up from 5%. If you draw a line at only semi-flagrant wrongdoing then your chance of disbarment is probably negligible.

Lawyers have every capability of defending assholes without violating ethics. Giuliani’s lawyer has been a treat to watch him sweat when Giuliani starts incriminating himself in public again.

It’s clear that Trump’s lawyers are laughably incompetent, and are risking discipline by their childish attitudes, but acting such is their choice.

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I’d like to think that Republicans that support Trump do in fact realize that he is an idiot and so are the lawyers that decide to represent him.

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not all. Kise in the NY trial was not incompetent and he did not risk his own disbarment w antics. he blustered and objected and railed in a way that his client surely loved, but it wasn’t lying to the court or any of that. i may have missed some of it, but mostly he seemed like he knew the role he signed up for and stayed within the lines on it

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I was thinking of blunders like forgetting to request a jury trial, which is a pretty fundamental error (per a lawyer family member). She has been ragging on their missteps throughout the trial, and from what I’ve seen they haven’t been managing the trial (especially their client) well at all.

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Learning when to keep your mouth shut requires some expensive tutoring it seems.

https://wapo.st/3TNS1ZF

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I thought that first one got shot down but has just lived on partly due to Trump whining.

Anyway, his attorneys haven’t seemed the greatest in that case from what I’ve read but look at the source material they have to work with.