That’s fair. Maybe Arthuritas will respond and clear it up.
This is exactly correct, no subtext implied or intended.
There generally have not been political topics brought up in this thread. It’s stuck pretty well on topic. For that reason, I found it odd to complain about political stuff in this thread by someone that says they don’t like hearing it. Sure, Elon and Tesla get dragged in political but that’s where it belongs.
Thanks for the clarification.
Tesla installs grok in cars. Grok asks 12 year old to send nudes.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/investigates/tesla-s-grok-asks-child-for-nude-pics-mom-says-9.6956930
I wouldn’t call Tesla self-driving yet. HW4/V14 is out, and it’s better, but it still has too many critical disengagements.
Waymo is continuing to knock out millions of miles in 5 cities, and are looking now at DC, Miami, London, Boston, Detroit, NY, Vegas, San Diego. Many pending local pushback.
And quite a few other companies are pursuing them-- Amazon, Baidu, Nvidia, MobileEye, Nuro, Cruise, Wayve, etc. But until they actually launch a large number of vehicles, it’s a guess which will be serious players.
TLDR version: Waymo 1.5 more miles per reported crash than Tesla even though Tesla has human safety monitors in car.
Disclosure: You can expect an anti-Tesla flavor to the commentary from this site, but generally accurate numbers and mostly valid analysis.
A year and a half ago, i rode on a couple of waymos and took several rides in my friend’s Tesla, with fsd. The fsd scared me on several occasions. It nearly stopped after going through a toll booth, as traffic swerved to avoid hitting us, for instance. It also drove in annoying ways. Like, it played “you go, no you go” with another driver for way too long, because every time she glanced at it to see if it was okay to go, it crept forward. My friend believed that he was helping to train it by not intervening until the last minute.
But I’m told the latest update is really good. I’m curious to hear from people who have experienced it.
Tesla owner here, I got one three years ago. On the Tesla subreddits, every single time a new version is released, people fawn over it. But then the cracks start to emerge, and then everyone says ‘just wait for the next version and it’ll be flawless.’
This latest version seems to do some cool things, like dodging litter on the highway. But I’m also hearing it can be skittish pulling out of stop signs.
My car does great on the highway, I will say that. Although yesterday it did try to veer off the road and then it disengaged itself. It was near an off ramp but the striping was all there so I don’t know what confused it.
I hope you will be able to tell us your last experience with full-no-driving.
From the early crowd sourced data, it does look like the new version is a big improvement. It’s just you’d need a huge improvement to catch Waymo, because their cars are almost perfect.
But then again, maybe that’s an unnecessarily high standard. And maybe Tesla could run a profitable autotaxi business with pretty good.
I’m interested to see if the Lucid/Uber deal will work out. I think they are supposed to start next year sometime.
Like an umpire in Bizarro-World. Every time he gets a call right, he’s out there strutting, trying to give and get high fives from players and fans. When he gets a call wrong, he starts yelling about everyone else’s eyesight.
Reminds me of Naked Gun.
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Oh yeah? Then YOU’RE OUTTA HERE!!
the latest release of FSD supervised is really amazing. it’s not perfect of course, but still
Waymo is finally on highways. It’s wild to me that Teslas have been running AP on highways (with supervision) for over a decade now and only recently able to handle city streets (with supervision), while Waymo has been on city streets for years, and only today allowed on highways.
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My understanding is that Tesla FSD does very well for camera-only. That is, when visibility is good. Without LIDAR (which has become quite cheap), I wonder if it still struggles driving into the sun, or blizzard/fog conditions?
I haven’t had any problems driving into direct sunlight or fog on either FSD 13 or 14. My understanding is that most of those problems were on 12 and prior, but I’m a new Tesla owner and can’t speak directly to that. I’m on the latest AI hardware and camera setup with a 2026 MY. I’d bet that the faster, more powerful processor coupled with better cameras on the refreshed product line reduced those problems.
Waymo is cool tech but it’s not a consumer vehicle like what Tesla sells. And Teslas don’t need pre mapped territories or geofencing to operate with FSD.
Two great ideas though.
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Yeah, I don’t mean to dump on Tesla here. I’m very excited about Waymo, but they are just getting started. There’s probably around 100x as many FSD Teslas on the road.
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