True, but at least his 30 years / 8 elections was consistent.
Of course there is little that is less meaningful than the national popular vote. If the popular vote actually mattered, literally everything would be different. Voter behavior would be radically different. Campaigns would be radically different. Trying to draw meaningful conclusions from tiny popular vote differences is a fool’s errand IMO. I think we can safely conclude that a greater percentage of voters preferred LBJ in 1964 (61%) than preferred Bill Clinton in 1992 (43%).
But to conclude that voters preferred Gore to W based on the popular vote from that election is nuts IMO. A national poll, maybe. But not the popular vote IMO.
Lucy mentioned a while back the old testament penalty for causing an abortion in someone else was a fine, similar to property damage, not on par with the biblical penalty for murder.
What does the anti abortion camp think the bible says? Because it’s really long and constantly contradicting itself…
I don’t believe the bible discusses abortion in those terms. I do believe that Lucy might be refencing the Talmud that if someone causes someone to lose a child then the punishment might be monetary.
I don’t know if the Talmud discusses abortion explicitly. It does discuss the proliferation of the human species and discusses whether someone can stop from cohabitating with one’s wife in order not to have kids. The discussion revolves around whether or not a husband and wife already have kids.
The idea of a potential child is of a significant value in the Talmud.
I can’t speak to what a local rabbinical orthodox figure might say, however, I would imagine that abortion would generally not be permitted.
I am referring only to the Old Testament, which is what religious Jews consider to be the Bible.
Life starts at first breath, Genesis 2:7-
Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
Job 33:4
The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
Ezekiel 37:5-6
This is what the Sovereign Lord says to these bones: I will make breath enter you, and you will come to life. I will attach tendons to you and make flesh come upon you and cover you with skin; I will put breath in you, and you will come to life. Then you will know that I am the Lord.
The Bible is pretty silent on embryos and fetuses.
Exodus 21:22 “When people who are fighting injure a pregnant woman so that there is a miscarriage, and yet no further harm follows, the one responsible shall be fined what the woman’s husband demands, paying as much as the judges determine. If any harm follows, then you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.”
Of course, if opponents of abortion were genuinely to live by the commandment that we must never kill, they would oppose wars, the military, the death penalty, and policies that lead directly to poverty, hunger, ill health, and death.
I’ve at least seen it argued that this particular passage is confusing in terms of the Hebrew “miscarriage” and the pronoun for further harm. Not sure at all how legit those arguments are.
Agree that the bible is at best silent on the idea of making into it a felony.
Which is a bit surprising given the Bible has opinions on everything else under the sun, including a lot of stuff we find absurd today.
