Israel - Hamas War October 2023

That is a valid point I can agree with. It strikes me as counterproductive to tell me (or a hypothetical stranger like me) that they’re not allowed to dislike Israel and support Jews. Thankfully I have thick enough skin to ignore implication that I could be anti-Semitic for disliking the government of Israel.

I can agree that some people who hate Jews use pro-Palestinian protests as a smokescreen to cover their hate, and this unfortunately muddies productive discourse on the topic because it paints humanitarian peace protesters as anti-Semitic.

I can’t deny there are some on the left who want Israel destroyed but of every person I’ve discussed it with this seems a fringe belief. The left also has anti-vaxxers and people who talk to ghosts. Unfortunately, peaceful protests that support Jews don’t get a lot of press.

I agree with your point racists hide their racism in everything from political statements to acts of privilege. Do you recognize that the government of Israel disguises anti-Zionism by calling it Antisemitism?

The distinction is very important. Antisemitism is a known racist position that like all forms of racial/ethnic/religious stratification is fundamentally antihuman and thus evil. Not supporting Israel is a political statement. Equating the two actually does a disservice to all Jews, primarily Jews that don’t support Israel. The article gave no details beyond the ghosting yet the statement assigned cause. That assigning of cause equated Anti-Zionism with Antisemitism which serves Israel but not Jews in general. My point they may be right, but without the evidence, don’t make the statement.

An American example, I am disgusted with where the loudest voices in American Christianity have gone. The support of Christian nationalism, the consolidation of political/financial power and equating it to spiritual power, the distancing from the actual teachings of Christ, yep, it would be easy for me to say Christianity is bad. But Christianity is not bad, select leaders are twisting it for their own worldly benefit and leading astray many of their followers. The grifters have the lectern. Attacking Christians for this problem is wrong. It is important that Christians make the distinction and are careful with their distinction. A Christian needs to call out those that attack Christianity in general and a distinction between their Christianity and the actions of this current group of Christians.

tldr: Nobody is all good, and nobody is all bad. Beware those within your group that wish to define you by their actions.

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so basically the TLDR is that we are all not that far apart from each other, kind of like this video so as to lighten the mood a bit

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I prefer National Brotherhood Week:

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIlJ8ZCs4jY)

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Apologies for anybody who caught my now-deleted post as I put the wrong link.

A “man in military fatigues” who was in fact IDF but CNN decided to exclude that from the headline shoots a man who was identified on-scene before the shooting as mentally disabled. In the West Bank, where Hamas does not operate.

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Eh, Hamas does not govern the West Bank, but they certainly do operate there.

That said, IDF should not be shooting the mentally disabled unless the disabled person poses an immediate threat, which I assume was NOT the case. (I didn’t watch the video.)

I’m inclined to cut them a break here… identifying a man’s uniform is a heckuva lot easier than determining his identity and verifying his status with the IDF. I’m not sure how it is in Israel, but here anyone can go to a military surplus store and buy a uniform without actually being in the military or even a citizen of the country.

Twig already corrected the last part.

I read through the article earlier today. Looks like the victim got into a dispute with the soldiers, got agitated, and advanced on them, without a weapon. Then the (I’m guessing) 19-20 year old soldier under tension shot him in the leg. It shouldn’t have happened and they got the poor man medical attention immediately. This was a stupid, possibly criminal, mistake. Not policy.

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I should have qualified, they do not have significant operations there and it hasn’t been the target of retaliation for recent attacks. Of course there will be some crossover.

Yep. Israel has always had a Bibi Problem. That hasn’t changed. Time to cut him loose to face the music (the families of the hostages want to tear him to pieces because they see what he is doing).

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Headline seems more like wishful thinking than confirmed fact, but I guess that’s what passes for journalism in the 21st century.

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Meh. An Opinion piece by a talking head who can’t get a better paying position than the Guardian. Surprise he doesn’t like Bibi. :roll_eyes:

Nobody likes Bibi. He will throw anybody under the bus in order to survive.

Article 99 has now been invoked by the UN-SG.

But keep burying your head in the sand about Bibi & the right-wing lunatics he allowed into the Govt.

Bibi is purposely pushing as hard as he can militarily in order ro save his own skin. The more he prolongs this, and the more destruction he causes, the more time he has to try to survive politically speaking.

His strategy is fairly obvious now given how he keeps responding to the families of the kidnapped people.

Destabilising the entire ME and displacing 2M people, while killing some hostages by mistake?

Thats not important to Bibi. Its always “me, myself, and I” with him.

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US and now the EU are implementing Visa Bans on extremist Israeli settlers from the West Bank. The international community has run out of patience with Israel.

Israel appears to be considering flooding the tunnel network with seawater. Doesn’t seem like the worst idea.

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A large reason to give some pause is the whether that would cause damage to the structure of many of the buildings that the tunnel run beneath. Will this cause a Surfside 2.0 or will it be a peaceful way to rid Hamas of its tunnels?

That could be either a bug or a feature…

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They have been discussing this for awhile now. There is a concern it affect the water supply.

This sounds like a pretty routine event in the US tbh

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Seems like a clever idea. I certainly wouldn’t want to be venturing into those tunnels.

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