Nativity from the Lutheran Church of Bethlehem, Palestine.
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Buses fail to show up to transfer people to pro-Israel rally.
What context is given for the picture? I tried looking on goggles and I could not find anything other than the celebration will be quieter this year.
Via @MuntherIsaac, a Palestinian Evangelical Lutheran Pastor:
Christmas in Palestine this year. The Child under the rubble. Immanuel God is with us in our pain and suffering. God in solidarity with the oppressed. The child of Bethlehem is our hope. For the children of Gaza and all victims of wars. At the Christmas Lutheran Church Bethlehem
Apologies for no link as I donāt have Twitter.
Iāve read āAll The Presidentās Men,ā which chronicled what was being published during the Nixon Administration.
And Iāve read āThe Final Days,ā which chronicled what was going on in, but not necessarily published during, the Nixon Administration.
The latter is far more fascinating and was published only a couple years (1976) after resignation.
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āThe UJA identified the subcontractor as Prestige Worldwide Transportation Network LLC, owned by Mohammed Ashfaq.ā
This guy might need to answer a few questions.
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I have no comment on the motivations or reasons behind the failure of the bus company to complete its contract.
From the article.
" a rally in support of Israel and against antisemitism"
āWe are driven to the view that this shameful decision is intended to disrupt our peaceful rally out of hatred toward Jews,ā
It would be nice if Jewish groups would quit equating Jews and Israel.
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So you are implying that the driver ghosted them due to his purely political views of the situation in Israel? Does this driver vet all contracts he accepts to see if they fit his political leanings?
I have no comment on the motivations or reasons behind the failure of the bus company to complete its contract.
The article states no reason why there was a failure to meet the contract.
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Most likely the owner, not 17 drivers who probably have varying political views.
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I was addressing this line and I think that if the driver did intentionally ghost the group then it is not simply equating Israel and Jews but rather an anti-Semitic move by the operator. Again, if the move was intentional, which is almost impossible to prove either way.
Seems like speculation.
There is a large gulf between not supporting the military actions of Israel and being anti-Semitic.
Those who say you must support Israel and its military or you hate Jews are harming their own cause to both nation and religion by tying their religion to their nationās actions. I would consider myself an ally to Jews while I have a moderately negative opinion of Israelās government. Iām not an ally to Zionist Jews - I wonāt do anything negative to one but Iām not amplifying Zionism.
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As a Jew I donāt find your distinction meaningful. Thatās just my perspective.
Not arguing with that point since that is a whole discussion, but complaining about a bus operator ghosting you is not conflating Israel and the Jews. That and only that was my point
Perhaps Venn Diagrams would be helpful?
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I apologize that it doesnāt feel that way to you. Iām not going to go after you for it, I wish you felt differently but youāve every right to have your opinion. I support you having every protection against persecution here and abroad. I despise Hamas and support innocent Palestinians and Israelis alike. I refuse to belief that every Palestinian supports Hamas, or that their lives are fine to ignore because of where they live.
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You can certainly make the distinction you made. I personally donāt find it meaningful.
Throughout history Jews have dealt with anti-semitism. The Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, progroms in Russia, the Holocaust, etc. I believe the highest percentage of religious hate crimes in the US is from anti-semitism (with a couple thousand each year).
I have heard others make the distinction to me it seems as a new reason to hate Jews. Again thatās just my perspective.
I certainly appreciate that you did not attack my comment but acknowledged it in a professional way while disagreeing.
We can agree to disagree. While I donāt consider Israel this bad, I see it similarly to how I dislike the North Korean government but donāt have the heart in me to say that we should kill North Koreans, even if their government wants America destroyed.
My dislike of the Israeli government would be the same if they were Christian, Muslim, or secular.
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I donāt think @act_123 was talking about your particular point, rather to the sentiment amongst many Jews that anti-Zionism often is used to disguise Antisemitism.
To pick an example, there was a pro-Palestinian rally at Cooper Union College where the protestors tried to attack Jewish students. If it was purely political then why go after the students in the library? Would they attack people in Chinese Americans over the treatment of the Uyghurs?
Obviously these people are bad actors, however, many of the bad actors are using these protesters are using these rallies to express their antisemitic views. In addition, there often seem to be enough bad actors to muddy the message that these rallies are trying to convey. Hence the view of many Jewish people of anti-Zionism as the new antisemitism.
Yes thatās a better way to say it than I did.