And this is the face of the Zionist right-wing in Israel.
Hamas is now telling Palestinian residents not to accept aid from Israel, claiming that the deliveries are part of an Israeli intelligence operation. They said that âAnyone who cooperates with the occupation in imposing its agenda will pay the price, and we will take the necessary measures against them.â
So once again, we see Hamas would rather have their people starve, rather than actually work towards peace.
Would this be considered a crime?
Iâm not sure under what jurisdiction weâd be defining whether those terrorists are committing a crime in that act. But it seems a little moot, given that theyâre terrorists.
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Link?
The only source I could find had this rating:
Right-biased, mixed factuality. Itâs feasible that they were accurate.
Reminds me a bit of the Telegraph in the UK
They take news and put an absolutely ridiculous right-wing slant to it.
Thats all by design. They push a narrative to shift the overton window further to the right.
This works when people donât reflect on their sources of information.
Hereâs a different link.
If we suspend the rights afforded to individuals who are accused of having committed a crime, we can dispense with the fact-finding and move straight to the punishment phase. If innocent people are swept up in that, ⌠well, thatâs a small price to pay for freedom and protection from terrorists.
Almost like weâve had debates on this in the past. Maybe even at one time, an uprising of some sorts by the oppressed against the ruling class, demanding some guaranteed basic set of rights, and that itâs been enshrined in a number of documents across history conferring powers to a central government and to the people. Well, thatâs an antiquated view, we have to deal with the harsh reality of the present - and in the present, thereâs no price thatâs too great to pay for perceived protection against terrorists, real or imaginary.
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This should have been done ages ago.
But they have been paralysed by the usual hysteria from Bibi and his right-wing followers about criticising Israel being âanti-semitismâ.
The blowback from this censoring has been building for months and is about to erupt given that Bibi will very likely continue on his current path in order to survive politically speaking.
And what do you say to this?
This isnât some random person in Israel.
So one of Netanyahuâs rivals, who was one of those responsible for Israelâs withdrawal from Gaza (which led to the Hamas terror state), is saying things which would make Netanyahuâs government look bad.
Youâre right, itâs not a random Israeli. Itâs someone with a clear bias.
Iâm not saying what heâs saying is untrue. Iâm just saying he definitely has reason to make Netanyahu look bad.
For someone who is so into finding unbiased sources, I expected better.
Amnesty International has now condemned Hamas for their actions against peaceful protestors in Gaza.
I havenât been following this thread too closely, do you think Israel is committing genocide like Amnesty International says here? I see you arguing a lot with poly, but Iâm not sure what you actually believe.
You tend to say that Hamas is bad, but itâs unclear to me whether you think Israel is committing genocide, ethnic cleansing, war-crimes, etc. and whether or not you think they (the IDF, the government, etc.) should be doing so.
Here is the definition of genocide as adopted by the UN:
So as per the definition, intent is required. I think that there are individuals who are Israeli who have this intent, and as I wrote earlier, I think those people should be held accountable. I do not think that the Israeli leadership has intent to commit any of these 5 acts on the civilian population of Gaza. Therefore, I donât think that Israel meets the definition of committing genocide.
Hamas, which is the elected leadership of the Palestinians in Gaza, did have the first act in mind when carrying out the attack on October 7th. Therefore, I believe that the Palestinian nation is guilty of attempted genocide. (Again, Iâm determining this based on the actions/intent of the leaders/government of the nation.)
If Israel really intended to commit genocide in Gaza, they could do it in a matter of hours.
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Do you think Israel is accidentally committing genocide then? Or ethnic cleansing? Or other war crimes? And do you think itâs okay because itâs an accident?
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And yes, certainly Israel could just nuke Gaza, but they would get in more trouble for that.
Presumably, they would choose a method that minimizes trouble.
Can you clarify? When you say âIsraelâ are you referring to the official government stance, or to individuals acting on their own?
Sure, do you think the Israeli government is implementing policies that are accidentally causing genocide, ethnic cleansing, or other war crimes?
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Genocide, definitely not - by definition, you canât accidentally have genocide.
Iâm not sure about the exact definition of ethnic cleansing. Israel is asking Palestinian civilians to clear out of certain areas, but itâs for their own safety, as there will be fighting there. I donât think the Israeli government intends to keep them out of the area permanently - theyâd like to allow them back when the fighting ends. I donât believe that falls into the category of ethnic cleansing.
Other war crimes is a very wide statement. Itâs entirely possible that some policies are leading to war crimes being committed by individuals, but again, I donât believe that was the intent of the government.
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Thatâs fair. I admit I have trouble with the concept of intent.
Iâm not sure about the exact definition of ethnic cleansing. Israel is asking Palestinian civilians to clear out of certain areas, but itâs for their own safety, as there will be fighting there. I donât think the Israeli government intends to keep them out of the area permanently - theyâd like to allow them back when the fighting ends. I donât believe that falls into the category of ethnic cleansing.
Yes, I imagine if Palestinians were allowed to rebuild in the same place, it would not be ethnic cleansing. I find it pretty unlikely but who knows.
Other war crimes is a very wide statement. Itâs entirely possible that some policies are leading to war crimes being committed by individuals, but again, I donât believe that was the intent of the government.
I guess thereâs two kinds of war crimes to consider. The first is whether the Israeli government is failing to stop IDF from doing things like shooting children in the head and killing doctors. This seems likely but is very difficult to prove, or even come to an unbiased conclusion.
The other kind of war crime is more straightforward I think? Whether Israel is going too far in blockading water, food, and medicine, causing more pain and innocent death than they should. Do you think the Israeli government has accidentally done that?