I think it’s obvious to most people that the UN is biased against Israel.
So you mentioned you have experience living in a society susceptible to terrorist attacks. Which workplace exactly have you been in where someone was bludgeoned to death and their murderer was released as part of a hostage deal?
I have dealt with many instances of that.
In Spain:
People who commited serious crimes during the Franco era dictatorship (1939-1975) were given a general amnesty in 1977.
The families of their victims had to see them walking around.
Many people did not agree with this at the time, but it was the only way to move forward without destroying the country with another civil war (Spain had a civil war from 1936-1939).
These folks commited far worse crimes (torture, executions etc) than what you see in Israel and Gaza today.
But thats the price you pay for peace. You don’t really understand this becaus you think your side can win, but in the long-run you will come to understand the futility of that view (it just means perpetual conflict).
And perpetual conflict always means a highly militarised society with restricted freedoms. The vast majority of people do not want to live under those conditions.
Terrorist Group (ETA)
They regularly bombed government offices in locations around Spain, as well as targeted politicians. They also targeted airports and other pieces of infrastructure. One bomb exploded about 300m from our house when I was younger (they targeted a politician with a car bomb).
Those terrorists (ETA) were released from prison in 2011 after a compromise to put down their arms if their province was given more autonomy.
Many Spanish people were killed by ETA.
Again, this is not something everybody agreed with but it was the only way to stop the perpetual killings.
Seriously?
No, no, no - you don’t understand. Hamas is to blame for this, because Israel - who controls the infrastructure that goes into the generation of electricity and water desalination - apparently put Hamas in charge of that infrastructure, with instructions that Hamas should cut off the electricity for the express purpose of destroying all the Palestinians. You know, the same Hamas has been fighting for Palestinians since who knows when because Israel has persecuted the shit out of the Palestinians in a quest to seize all the land the Palestinians inhabited. That way, after all the Palestinians are dead, Israel will know where all of Hamas is - wherever all the infrastructure is controlled - and Israel can finally destroy all of Hamas once and for all.
It’s 24th-level quantum chess. There’s no way it could possibly fail.
Why should Israel have to provide the infrastructure for Gaza? Let Gaza set up its own systems. It’s not Israel’s responsibility to provide for them.
I am done discussing this with you.
You have shown zero ability to process even basic facts.
It really is quite amazing how they manage to twist everything into a veritable pretzel.
And their backers eat it up. Its honestly like a cult.
You are advocating for Gaza to be able to handle their own affairs? I suppose you think Israel should stop the blockade then.
Exactly. Its either a country, or part of Israel, its too big to exist as a quantum state…
Schrodinger’s state.
As soon as the Gazan government stops trying to destroy Israel, yes.
The killings will continue until morale improves
Brilliant strategy
We’ll blockade the country, block aid from entering, cut off water, cut off electricity, force you out of your home at gunpoint, bomb your cities, bomb your refugee camps, and threaten to remove you from your country permanently with no hope of return.
But we don’t have to lift a finger to help anybody, because Hamas. Why don’t they just get their shit together and be a functional government?
So until then, does Isreal bear any responsibility for the civilians of Gaza?
They bear responsibility not to specifically target them.
If Israel is occupying an area where civilians are living, then they have a responsibility to provide for them. The question of whether Israel is occupying Gaza under International Law is complex, and there is disagreement on it. Here is a good write-up of both sides of that argument.
But as I noted earlier, aid may be withheld if there is a reason to fear that it will give the opponent a definite advantage in fighting. This definitely exists within Gaza.
I think the blockade also forms a responsibility to provide the items necessary for life that Gazans can’t obtain for themselves. Ask yourself why Israel had done so post-2014.
Thanks for posting that write-up. I’ve read part of it and it does seem pretty complex. One of the points is that it’s not a matter of opinion whether the occupying force tests are met… it’s a finding of fact.
I know why. Because Hamas was the elected government, and they continuously call for the destruction of Israel. They carry out attacks against Israel. They take the supplies and use it for their own ends, instead of to better the lives of the people living in Gaza.
Imagine, if Hamas had spent the money on improving things in Gaza, instead of digging their tunnels, what life would be like now.
The sorry plight of the Palestinians falls on Hamas - not just from this war, but for years before it.
I think you miss the gist of my question. Why, even after Hamas’ election win, did Israel provide electricity to Gaza? It had been known even at that time Hamas’ stated goal was the destruction of Israel as a nation.
The starvation will continue until Palestinians learn to love Israel.