What now? How did I miss that? (Looks around)
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This is a general reminder to keep this thread civil. Itās okay to disagree, but please donāt make personal attacks against other members of goactuary. That applies to several people who have different perspectives on this topic.
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According to the Geneva Convention, it appears that Israel is allowed to withhold food from Gaza.
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/gciv-1949/article-23
Given that in the past Hamas has taken the food that was delivered as aid, there is definitely a reason to fear that the consignments will be diverted from their destination, as well as that Hamas would gain an advantage from having the food and supplies.
Therefore, Israel is NOT required to allow the aid in.
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International Lawyers say you are wrong.
I think I know which legal opinion I will listen to.
Also, worth reminding you that the ICJ specifically told Israel not to do this (use starvation as a weapon of war)
So they are also breaching International Law on that front.
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Do those international lawyers by any chance somehow have their pay dependent on saying this?
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Wow. You really want to believe I think something I explicitly said the opposite ofā¦ while you had a Freudian slip that you actually said that all Gazans are terrorists.
I donāt find it helpful to be cynical and say all sides are equally bad. Nope, sometimes there are people trying to do their best, and people trying to take advantage, and yes both sides have a mix, but sometimes you have to stand up for the side that you think is right.
And I think indoctrinating kids to be martyrs and paying martyrsā families to send their kids to stab and bomb as terrorists, is not right. You may disagree.
And speaking of the poor side and the wealthy sideā¦ yes, the Gazans are really poor, in fact 80% on welfare, nothing to do, no jobs, nothing other than simmer in their resentments. But they are supported by many Middle East states with lots of oil money behind them, which is how they are all actually living and growing their population. And Israel? Israel, though higher than the average Middle East GDP per capita, has a lower GDP per capita than the average European GDP not to mention the US. Itās not wealthy by any stretch.
P.S. Shouldnāt you change your name to Elon by now?
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I actually want to believe you could take step back and try to understand how the underlying human behavior on both sides is very similar, but you keep focusing on some concept of moral high ground because you buy into one sideās actions over the other.
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Reminder where we are right now.
āTechnically according to my interpretation of the law, it isnāt definitionally a war crime to kill tens of thousands by starvation, so Israel isnāt doing anything wrong at allā
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It really shows you who people are when they rationalise things like that.
Its a sad commentary of humanity.
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I saw this yesterday. Other sources actually said that the PA would NOT be involved in running Gaza, so Iām not sure which is correct.
I think the plan is a good one, provided that the PA is not involved, and that the new ruling committee is committed to ending the indoctrination of children - they need to educate children to value peace, instead of violence and hatred. The UN should also not be involved, as UNRWA has shown they canāt be trusted to be neutral.
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The only people starving in Gaza are the hostages. Palestinians have plenty of food to eat.
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That is not consistent with the stories Iāve heard from international aid workers and Palestinians, and there are a lot of photos of skinny people.
because when the food gets in, it doesnāt get to the people
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The aid workers Iāve heard say that Israel is at least as much to blame as Hamas, but yes, there are certainly problems with distributing food within Gaza. And fog-of-war and all that, i donāt claim to be certain exactly what is happening. But Iām pretty damn certain that itās false that āPalestinians have plenty of food, itās just the hostages who are going without.ā I believe there is widespread famine within Gaza right now.
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Probably depends on details. Does it allow you to make 1 million innocent people starve in order to make 10k bad guys also starve?
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If we allow even just the kids from a group of people we already think are subhuman to have enough food so theyāre not suffering from malnutrition, then the terrorists will have won.
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Has this been posted?
The invasion of Jenin was faster than past Israeli assaults, she said. And, now, like some 37,000 other Palestinians the U.N. estimates have been driven out by a month-old offensive against militant groups in the occupied West Bank, Zawaydeh and her family are waiting to return to the place theyāve long called home.
But itās unclear if Israel will let them. Israelās assault has mostly emptied four refugee camps ā sites that originated to house Palestinians driven from homes in the 1948 war surrounding Israelās creation and have since grown into densely built up towns or neighborhoods.
Across the four camps, troops have ripped up roads and destroyed buildings, infrastructure, and water and electricity lines. The Israeli defense minister said Monday that troops were preparing to stay for a year and would prevent Palestinians from returning.
Makes sense.
Now that Trump is in, we can expect increased efforts to displace and never allow Palestinians to return. Itās part of Trumpās explicit goals for Gaza and Israel has his full support.
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I think in small parts.
Extremist Israeli settlers have been terrorising Palestinians in the West Bank for the last 6 months. Quite a few have also been killed.
The IDF has also been complicit in this as their people are directed by superiors that have been placed there by the hard right in the Govt (Smotrich and Ben-Gvir)
When the Palestinians are attacked by the settlers they basically just watch. And if the Palestinians try to protect themselves against the settlers by fighting back they end up arrested.
The IDF has basically turned into a militia in the West Bank.
They are aiding the extremist settlers to push the Palestinians out of their land by making it impossible to live (being attacked on a daily basis and having your posessions destroyed)
At this point, I would posit that the IDF has turned into a criminal organisation in the west bank.
In any other country they would have been brought up on serious criminal charges.
But all of this gets ignored by Israel who claims that they are investigating
I think Amnesty International (IIRC) has flagged this as a potential investigation for war crimes as well.