And there on-going examples of Christians killing non-Christians and Christians based on their religious beliefs.
Baslamist vinegar ftw
Yes, I saw the Northern Ireland troubles mentioned as a contemporary version of that, in which religion played a large role. No one in this thread was denying that happens, while statements were made that no oneâs atheist beliefs drive them to kill. It may be a slight difference that saying certain world-views that feature atheism also denigrate religion and when in power have killed many religious adherents due to their religion. It happened in the 10âs of thousands and more during the French revolution, and hit the millions in the 20th century with the rise of communism and continues today with the suppression and imprisonment of millions today. Just as the reasons underlying those killings arenât simply religious, neither were the rise of Islam across the world and the 16th century wars between Christians in Europe simply a matter of religion either.
Atheists have killed people
Christians have killed people
Jews have Killed people
Muslims have killed people
People of other faiths have killed people.
Doesnât seem like we can draw a whole lot of conclusions beyond, humans kill other humans. Sometimes they use religion as the justification, other times they use getting rid of religion as the justification.
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Stalin needs you to hold his beer.
In fairness to Stalin, he killed a lot of people regardless of their religious beliefs and a lot of people because of their religious beliefs. He was kind of an equal opportunity mass murderer in that sense.
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I would argue that Stalin wanted to institute a semi-religious worship of him and his government, and that he killed people not because he was an atheist, but because they didnât properly worship him. Most atheists would advocate for a government that doesnât impose worship, whether it be of a deity or a leader.
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atheism is a recent thing. itâs silly to make judgments about it. ive noticed that in the absence of religion people will worship something else. I wouldnt be too confident about the moral superiority of an atheist even though I am one. People think atheists are peaceful because we have peace among the usual powers but thats mostly because of nukes.
Iâve annoyed a few atheists in the past by pointing out that their fervor and their evangelism of their atheism were sufficient to make me believe that their form of atheism is, for all intents and purposes, a religion.
Except for all those people born before the start of religion.
Not sure I believe this. Everyone starts out as an atheist.
I donât think ~2,500 years ago is recent, but if youâre discussing the word atheism existing, weâre only talking more like 350 years.
Thatâs only discussing written works, though. Of course we had a time before a god was invented. (Any monotheistic believer must admit that a god was invented, as other monotheistic religions exist.)
I saw a documentary that showed people in the future worshipping a nuclear bomb.
Spoiler alert: it doesnât end well.
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You need to hang out with different atheists. Iâve never met one thatâs starts a religious conversation, and why would they.
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For a while, on a social mailing list (one of the oldest on the internet), there was one participant who couldnât help himself⌠every social and political ill was an example of the harm done by theism, and even theists who kept their faith private were culpable. He was driven to get people to walk away from theism and become atheists.
Interestingly, another person on that mailing list did some of the early work on adding rules to email clients to automatically filter messages, eventually moving on to developing some of the early spam-filtering logic, when that started to become a problem.
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And I should clarify/defend that. Iâve made statements about religion causing problems in the past on this forum. But Iâve never in my life said that to anyone outside my family or very close friends, and even then itâs not like itâs a common topic. All it does is piss people off and solves nothing.
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I donât think so. Religiosity is still dying everywhere, including the middle east. It continues to hold sway in the poorer more isolated parts of the world, but doesnât have much hope of going anywhere. If the war in gaza is profound enough, I suppose it might generate a new movement of Islamic terrorists, but so far it doesnât seem to be going that way.
(of course, relatively easy to say that when I donât live in Israel/Russia right now.)
The latest Last Week Tonight is about Israel-Palestine again. Wasnât able to finish it, will do later.
Interesting tidbit, by the Israeli governmentâs admission, over 95% of building permits by Palestinians are rejected in certain areas (âArea Câ). If Palestinians donât work their land for a period of 3 years, itâs considered abandoned and legitimate for the Israeli government to seize and build a settlement and give it to Israeli citizens.
So the government says no, you may not build on your land, also if you donât, we will take it. Should have used the land, now get off our property.
Whoa wrong threa⌠nevermind
Area C is the least populated of the areas. Under Oslo II, it was given to Israeli control, with the goal of âgradual transferâ to the Palestinians. Since the Palestinians didnât keep their end of the Oslo Accords, this transfer didnât happen.