yeah I don’t want to sound adversarial. but I do think the difference in scale between what each of the parties did makes conversation about what she did pretty irrelevant and almost apologetic for ice.
if you do stupid stuff with law enforcement and get some extra tickets or manhandled a bit roughly, it’s still wrong but it’s understandable. if you do stupid stuff with law enforcement and get shot dead as a result, then the idea that she did anything wrong is irrelevant.
That being said I think there’s some possibility that shes dead because she was a lesbian….she was a lesbian wasnt she? I think buddy wanted to kill someone, I think he was given the authority to do so, and shot someone who was woke. that’s the basic summary imo of what happened. everything else is an excuse or justification.
Yep. Have seen the videos now and the whole thing is absolutely bonkers from a European point of view.
Its basically indefensible. But this is the US in 2026, so up is down and left is now right. The Overton window has been shifted to such an extreme by Trump and his supporters* that this type of scenario is now accepted by the larger population.
*I also think the majority of the US population quietly supports this as it does not impact them (yet).
Met an American family visiting from NYC down here in Brazil at a resort and they were quietly pro-Trump when it came to immigration. The scenario that happened they simply dismissed as an outlier (acceptable collateral damage in order to target immigration).
On the plus side, at least they called her Good’s wife. A lot of articles have stuck with partner for some reason. The amount of subtle and overt homophobia I’ve seen in comments about them is mind blowing to me.
I try to use the generic term spouse for everyone. I’ve been politely corrected a few times with clients and I’m just embarrassed every time. I’ve said the word wife and been corrected to husband, or said the word wife and told it’s their girlfriend. So, spouse means I don’t sound like an idiot every six months.
National Review had an article that seems representative of somebody who accepts this as a tragedy but does not want to blame the government.
In this view, the problem is not ICE but “ICE Watch”, which seems to be a group that advocates nonviolent resistance to ICE. Of course, this requires physical confrontation with ICE. A tragedy like this is not only inevitable, but probably even intended to some degree to put additional pressure on ICE. Opposition to ICE should only take the form of strong words in the public square. If you do not think the actions of ICE are just or wise then know instead that they are within the combined prerogative of Congress and the President. Note that this will be much easier to stomach if you and yours are not the ones being disappeared.
I was thinking about this and the same pundits here would probably rally against Rosa Parks for illegally sitting on the bus. Civil Disobedience has a long history in our country up to and including vandalism in a harbor.
Here is the column. It acknowledges the justice of the Civil Rights movement but treats many of the movement’s tactics with much more suspicion or even hostility.
Incidentally, I believe that buckley did write an infamous column in support of jim crow, at least as far as voting rights were concerned.
A point i would probably concede is that there is not the clear line between non violent and violent resistance that is sometimes supposed, even if there are kinds of resistance that are clearly violent or non violent.
But I think to seriously engage with the situation, you have to acknowledge the argument that the kinds of deportation efforts engaged by ICE are inherently inhumane and unjust. Instead that column only engages with the idea that these efforts would inevitably lead to violence of the kind experienced with Goode’s death. ICE Watch probably does increase the propensity for that particular subset of violence.
From that article:
“activists using phone apps, whistles and car horns to warn neighborhoods when ICE shows up”
I’ve seen lots of reports of this happening all around the country. I’ll add the most common thing people are doing is filming ICE agents, which despite what angry agents say is not against the law.
The article then notes: “with numerous instances of activists ramming agents with their cars in the past.”
This seems to be presented as fact, where all the instances I’ve seen where ICE shot or assaulted someone with the claim they were ramming them seem to have been partly or completely fabricated by the ICE agents.
From that Huff Post article I posted above:
" Immigration officers have opened fire 16 times over the past year, resulting in four deaths, according to The Trace. The government often tells similar stories about the incidents: A person stopped by officers tried to run them over, or injured them with their car, necessitating the use of deadly force."
ICE has a recent history of fabricating these claims to justify their actions.
The article makes it very easy to go from “raises possibility for more violent protest” to “caused violent protest” to “the whole point is probably to bait ICE into reacting violently to discredit itself.”
I have not read that one way or the other. However, I am pretty sure I read that Homeland Security lied to the federal courts about violence in large cities to justify deploying the national guard there.
on list of most troubling - and damning of all the claims - is that a law enforcement agency with a claim that would bring charges intentionally removing all evidence from local review and destroying it.
with that pattern of “good faith” you can see their motivations more clearly. it seems correct there are domestic terrorists involved, but they aren’t the folks lying in hospitals or morgues
