Not just laws, constitutional rights. They aren’t solely violating administrative procedures, or even laws, they are violating people’s constitutional rights.
The misogyny around this incident is disgusting
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legal status is not strong enough…
and citizens! the enforcement isn’t targeting only known people with records who are here illegally, it’s just scooping/terrorizing the darker skinned people without concern.
and saying “oh, they get released and it’s all good” is a pretty f-ing callous review of how things work for the kids seized at the target. they had no f-ing idea what would happen to them, up to and including being disappeared/flown abroad. (if you think that is hyperbole, then you are definitely a white person with few non-white friends.)
that that is intentional from ICE is why they, IMO, deserve 0 respect for what they are currently doing and are forever stained as performing dishonorable service in my mind. as are their enablers and promoters.
the venn diagram overlap of A - folks screaming this woman had it coming and B - folks screaming the J6 crew at the capital didn’t deserve prosecution is amazing
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Let’s talk about Ashli Babbit.
There are many ways in America to have the opportunity to have a gun pointed at your face, since there are guns everywhere.
Breaking through several areas of a secure government building with a few hundred friends feels like a one with a high likelihood. The decision tree that leads you to be at the front of a mob breaching the house chamber had many opportunities over several hours to avoid that situation.
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I came up with this scenario to illustrate how economically stupid this crackdown is after the brown shirts picks up a suspect. Imagine the government wants to crack down on speeders. They take all the camera footage along highways that capture license plates of speeders. Since they don’t have enough footage they spend massive amounts of money installing more cameras. Now they have footage they hire a fleet of tow truck drivers and security. The drivers and security are given a location of a car no indication of what the crime is just a description of the car. The tow trucks immediately upon finding a car on their list, or one like it, impound the car and take it to the impound lot at the government’s expense. If the impound lot is full the government pays to have the car shipped to the next city over with open spaces in an impound lot.
What of the owner of the impounded car? Well the owner goes to the court and has to claim responsibility, or bring the responsible party, for whatever crime was committed with the car. The government pays for a defense attorney and schedules a hearing. To get the car back they pay the fine or do the time for the ticket. Once the original fine is paid the impound lot drives the car out onto the public street and leaves it with the keys in it. The owner needs to now come pick up their car where ever it may be.
Think of how many lives would be saved by punishing all those speeders!
The two women were clearly talking trash to the agents to get on their nerves. They also clearly stated they were US citizens, which should put them outside the general jurisdiction of ICE with the exception that they could be detained for obstructing their mission. “Move on and get out of here or we will detain you” was the logical next step in the encounter.
The woman then clearly panicked. You can see her looking over her shoulder while in reverse when the agent was trying to pull her door open, and transitioning her focus to the front of the car after she put it in drive, never making the sort of eye contact that would suggest she was in any way trying to run over the agent. He basically walked in front of the car while her head was turned to the side. She never saw him until possibly after the car started moving forward.
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I will add from my immigration attorney friend part of this is Biden’s fault. Trump closed down the flow then Biden to get back to normal “opened the borders.” Not that he let in all sorts of new criminals its that he didn’t take into account how many immigrants could be processed. Biden swamped the legal system so normally (pre-2015 normal) legal people couldn’t get their papers processed.
He also praised the Canadian system as a sane way to do immigration.
Did you remind your friend that Biden and Congress were close to a plan to “fix” the border that Trump decided to torpedo?
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One of the local target employees they tackled and grabbed they released…2.5 miles away at the walmart parking lot. Just got him out of the car and walked away. Kid was crying and terrified.
The goons cant be bothered with paperwork when theres more gooning to do.
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Not gonna do paperwork that ends up without the commission.
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Then you need to stop there. She should not have been shot. Anything she did that was illegal isn’t even in the same universes as ‘got shot dead’.
Here’s an actual example, that’s similiar, that illustrates this. I have a good friend who’s a Canadian cop. He’s telling me one day that he had a guy pulled over on a motorcycle. The guy hops on the bike and takes off. Pretty similiar situation to what happened.
How did my buddy react? He laughed.
He said he had another cop 2 miles up the road that would stop him. And if his buddy didn’t stop him, he had the motorcycle guy’s plates and therefore his home address. So worst case, they show up at this guy’s house and give him the tickets/charges at that time. No big deal.
At no point in that scenario does running away from law enforcement turn into getting shot three times.
There’s really no further conversation to be had. Other than perhaps that the guy in Milwaukee was looking for a reason to kill someone, and that in the US today, that’s OK and being done without ramifications. But arguing the woman was in any way to blame here is way out in left field.
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Cop had a perfect view of the driver based on the bodycam footage. She was looking to the side. He was pissed off they were mocking him, and maybe even additionally pissed off that she didn’t see him before rolling forward.
Like the sort of “almost hit someone after backing out of a parking space” something I am sure we have all seen countless times.
Not a reason to get shot in the face. Its completely absurd to consider giving anyone else on the planet other than a cop in the United States an excuse to do that. It should be absurd for cops as well, but here we are.
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Nit: Not bodycam footage, it was from a cell phone that he was holding. The reason why the view shifted to the ground at one point is that he lowered the phone to shoot her 3 times.
The cellphone footage also makes it clear that she was indeed given contradictory orders and was told to move out of the way. And the road is really wide, she was not across the middle of it, so there was plenty of room to go around her had they wanted to (and as she was gesturing for them to do). It looks to me more like she had turned the car perpendicularly to the street in preparation to do a u-turn.
And the idea that the President and Vice-President are blatantly lying about what happened despite readily available proof that they are lying is insane.
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I feel somewhat obliged to point out that FA does agree with every decent person that she should not have been shot.
It is possible to have differences in opinion on whether the victim was innocent or guilty of some offense, and agree that she should not have been shot.
That being said, “FAFO” is an incorrect justification/excuse for her being murdered.
If it’s not being used as an excuse/justification, why even bring it up?
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I can’t speak for FA, and I think this was very much the wrong time to use that acronym.
I will say that I have conflicted thoughts when I see outrage for protesters being detained or having bad experiences during protests. In the case of ICE activity, I very much empathize with folks intending to engage in civil disobedience (including blockades), but there are consequences when it comes to civil disobedience, both legal, and having exposed themselves to risk if/when things go pear-shaped.
When you break the law or put yourself in a potentially risky situation, even for good reasons, there is a risk for consequences. That reality can be crudely put as FAFO.
Unfortunately, given how polarized and binary arguments in the political arena have become, we sometimes forget that it is possible that it is both the case that the authorities misbehave towards protesters, and that the protesters experienced unfortunate consequences for the decisions they made. One side oversimplifies the last clause by saying “FAFO”; the other side highlights the Gestapo’s misdeeds…and the chasm between the two sides of American political culture becomes more permanent.
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