I know who the domestic enemies are. Just need some oathtakers to realize it, and to remember their oath.
Loomer has also called the victim a communist carpet muncher who FAFO. She had the ear of the President within the last two years.
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…and that doesn’t count the 30+ individuals who have died while in ICE holding facilities (some of whom admittedly may have been on the unlucky side of the actuarial tables, but others presumably due to conditions).
From some reading, depending on the specific ICE role, it looks like it can be anywhere from about 47 days to 27 weeks between walking into the door for your first day of training and detaining citizens with guns.
Agree. Trump will continue to double down on his statements, which will peel off another segment of the non-MAGA population that voted for him while fortifying his shrinking MAGA base.
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Demonizing the victim is right from the Republican playbook. Nixon would have loved Loomer.
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Are those benchmarks from the Before Times, or are they the current reality?
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Agreed.
I also feel sick seeing how effective this propaganda is working.
Millions of people are willing to swallow these evil lies, despite what they readily can see with their own eyes.
It’s like watching people’s brains be broken. They want so badly to believe he is right, that they will believe and say and do anything at all.
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At a deeper look - there is a lot of contradictory information, not helped by ICE publicly interjecting whatever alternative facts it finds useful that day. But seems like training commonly might be as little as ~42 days or up to 50 in 2025.
I also found some language making it unclear whether some of this training is “field supervision”, e.g. being in the field pre-training.
So, if we’re only going by workdays, the ICE agent who killed that mother may have entered training sometime around November 2025.
I always check on Fox to see how these stories are bring presented and reacted to. The screenshot below is a typical comment. Note that it was approved by 70 to 5. Sickening.
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In the video I saw, I could see a reasonable person, not burdened with preconceived notions of what happened, and not considering context that wasn’t included in the clip I saw, reacting as if the victim was trying to flee.
I also think it is reasonable to say that when an LEO or potential LEO points a gun at you, or starts aggressively instructing you, the IMMEDIATE thing to do is to put your hands up and be passive, or at least seek to deescalate so that everyone is in agreement as to what the next actions are going to be. They might be in the wrong…but the alternative is that you might be in the grave.
It is, however, a very human thing to react irrationally when under such stress. LEOs with proper training should be able to account for that (but in stressful situations, they sometimes make mistakes).
And finally, absent a clear and present danger to yourself and others, it is generally inappropriate to use lethal force against someone who is or can reasonably be expected to be fleeing. The vehicle is identifiable. If the LEOs are wearing body cameras (they should be), they should have a clear image of the person fleeing. The technology exists to track down the person in a non- (or at least less-) lethal manner.
(Yes, the phrase “generally inappropriate” is a little weasel-y. There are a wide range of scenarios where more/less force could be appropriate…but the ones that come to mind probably wouldn’t apply from my inexpert, armchair analysis.)
EDIT: Obligatory disclosure - I spent several years supporting a program that insured government entities, including those with police/sheriffs’ departments. I had plenty of opportunity to see video / see claim summaries of situations where cops did “the right thing” (or at least made arguably the least bad decision), but which still would look bad to an average person watching a smartphone video clip. Despite that…this doesn’t seem to have been either “the right thing” or “least bad decision”.
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That sounds like sedition!! Telling the truth, telling law enforcement officers to follow their own rules.
Alternative reality will be spun so that the agent’s actions fit the rules.
Early days but the outrage outside of Minneapolis seem pretty mild. Maybe folks have become numbed.
Agent has a right innocence until it is proven otherwise. It was a shitty situation with an apparently poorly trained agent that might just be a bad person.
I am still on the appalling part being the shitshow response from Noem, Trump, and others. Like I could sometimes still see a way for them to not be 100% terrible people, but I really can’t find any space in the room for either of them now that they put out the statements they did, with the video evidence we have, and not be among the worst people of any US administration in our 250 years.
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They will investigate themselves, and find that the heroic ICE agents stopped a domestic terrorist.
MIN should say eff your stonewalling, we have enough video evidence already to pursue state murder charges.
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I agree both parties acted irrationally but only one of them died as a result. Her punishment did not fit her “crime” is the bottom line for me.
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