Fine Dining in the era of sustainable farming

Had to make this topic because I just heard that Eleven Madison Avenue in NYC went fully vegan, and that was in my to do list next year for fine dining with the wifey.

I am actually reconsidering a few dining options based on this latest turn.

So am curious, would you all go to a fine dining establishment based only on vegan options?

I have done this with the wife in Berlin a few years back.

Cookies and Cream (1 star michelin)

Was a strange menu, but with the advent of meatless options I think many areas could be improved.

Have been to 11 Madison - around 21 years ago

As to the question, probably not, not at the cost of an 11 Madison.
Unless the people I am with will only go vegan.

Not that I won’t like the food, just that I am sure I would consider it a full fine dining experience that I would want at a restaurant of that level

Desmond’s Tavern at Park & 30th has good fries, at least the last time I was there. Don’t know if they have a Happy Hour. :man_shrugging:


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I have choices in where I go out to dinner.
I would not choose to go to a vegan-only restaurant.

Heck, I went to a vegan wedding reception (free “food”), and on the way home, we went to a restaurant and paid for regular food. Not that the “food” was bad, it just didn’t sate me. (It was also one of our favorite restaurants, and it was on the way home.)

Five guys? I feel like if I ate at a vegan wedding and didn’t feel full it would make me really want a cheeseburger :laughing:

No, it was an actual, sit-down, fancy restaurant with meat and dairy on the menu.
To make my point clear, I ordered the Lobster bisque.

yada-yada, I walked home from her place the morning after.

I have the same problem.

I just don’t feel satiated after a vegan menu.

But like I said, the technology for meatless options seems to be evolving rapidly now, so am keeping an open mind

“Vegetarians, and their Hezbollah-like splinter-faction, the vegans, are a persistent irritant to any chef worth a damn.

To me, life without veal stock, pork fat, sausage, organ meat, demi-glace, or even stinky cheese is a life not worth living.

Vegetarians are the enemy of everything good and decent in the human spirit, an affront to all I stand for, the pure enjoyment of food. The body, these waterheads imagine, is a temple that should not be polluted by animal protein. It’s healthier, they insist, though every vegetarian waiter I’ve worked with is brought down by any rumor of a cold.

Oh, I’ll accomodate them, I’ll rummage around for something to feed them, for a ‘vegetarian plate’, if called on to do so. Fourteen dollars for a few slices of grilled eggplant and zucchini suits my food cost fine.”

Anthony Bourdain (RIP)

I’ve had some amazing vegan food in my day, but I expect an upscale place to use the philosophy above.

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I do abstain from this though, to the chagrin of my Italian in-laws

Oh, I keep an open mind.

My wallet, though, …

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One of my favorite restaurants in my city has a tasting menu format, and they always have a full vegetarian option. I haven’t tried the veggie version myself, but others here rave about it.

A meal without meat of some sort is like a day without sunshine.


I don’t mind an occasional vegan meal. I prefer that it doesn’t pretend to be meat. Or anything it’s not. I don’t mind a veggie burger, but let’s just call it that.

I don’t like it when I’m asked to pretend cauliflower is rice or anything other than cauliflower. But that tends to happen more with the gluten free crowd.

I like Daiya pizzas, for example, but I don’t buy the ones with fake meat. For some reason the fake cheese doesn’t bother me as much.

The article about Eleven that I read said they aren’t going full vegan. They will still have milk and honey for coffee and tea.

And did Anthony Bourdain accidentally end up at a vegan restaurant?

He was in Punjab in a Parts Unknown episode and was very complimentary about the vegetarian cuisine!

I could eat (and have eaten) vegetarian Indian food weeks on end. However, it’s often not vegan as ghee is used a lot.

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I don’t have the fine dining budget some of you fortunate folks do, but if cost weren’t an issue, I would be fine with experimenting with “artificial” protein sources. I think they have a way to go yet, but I am not at all opposed to them.

There’s a good vegan place in my city, but it definitely is on the pricey side. I only go if I happen to be in the neighbourhood.

Unlike Canda, Taco Bell is always in the neighborhood here.