Fine Dining in the era of sustainable farming

Had to make this topic because I just heard that Eleven Madison Avenue in NYC went fully vegan, and that was in my to do list next year for fine dining with the wifey.

I am actually reconsidering a few dining options based on this latest turn.

So am curious, would you all go to a fine dining establishment based only on vegan options?

I have done this with the wife in Berlin a few years back.

Cookies and Cream (1 star michelin)

Was a strange menu, but with the advent of meatless options I think many areas could be improved.

Have been to 11 Madison - around 21 years ago

As to the question, probably not, not at the cost of an 11 Madison.
Unless the people I am with will only go vegan.

Not that I won’t like the food, just that I am sure I would consider it a full fine dining experience that I would want at a restaurant of that level

Desmond’s Tavern at Park & 30th has good fries, at least the last time I was there. Don’t know if they have a Happy Hour. :man_shrugging:

OMG!!! OMG!!! OMG!!! THEY DO HAVE A HAPPY HOUR!!!

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I have choices in where I go out to dinner.
I would not choose to go to a vegan-only restaurant.

Heck, I went to a vegan wedding reception (free ā€œfoodā€), and on the way home, we went to a restaurant and paid for regular food. Not that the ā€œfoodā€ was bad, it just didn’t sate me. (It was also one of our favorite restaurants, and it was on the way home.)

Five guys? I feel like if I ate at a vegan wedding and didn’t feel full it would make me really want a cheeseburger :laughing:

No, it was an actual, sit-down, fancy restaurant with meat and dairy on the menu.
To make my point clear, I ordered the Lobster bisque.

yada-yada, I walked home from her place the morning after.

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I have the same problem.

I just don’t feel satiated after a vegan menu.

But like I said, the technology for meatless options seems to be evolving rapidly now, so am keeping an open mind

ā€œVegetarians, and their Hezbollah-like splinter-faction, the vegans, are a persistent irritant to any chef worth a damn.

To me, life without veal stock, pork fat, sausage, organ meat, demi-glace, or even stinky cheese is a life not worth living.

Vegetarians are the enemy of everything good and decent in the human spirit, an affront to all I stand for, the pure enjoyment of food. The body, these waterheads imagine, is a temple that should not be polluted by animal protein. It’s healthier, they insist, though every vegetarian waiter I’ve worked with is brought down by any rumor of a cold.

Oh, I’ll accomodate them, I’ll rummage around for something to feed them, for a ā€˜vegetarian plate’, if called on to do so. Fourteen dollars for a few slices of grilled eggplant and zucchini suits my food cost fine.ā€

Anthony Bourdain (RIP)

I’ve had some amazing vegan food in my day, but I expect an upscale place to use the philosophy above.

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I do abstain from this though, to the chagrin of my Italian in-laws

Oh, I keep an open mind.

My wallet, though, …

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One of my favorite restaurants in my city has a tasting menu format, and they always have a full vegetarian option. I haven’t tried the veggie version myself, but others here rave about it.

A meal without meat of some sort is like a day without sunshine.

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I don’t mind an occasional vegan meal. I prefer that it doesn’t pretend to be meat. Or anything it’s not. I don’t mind a veggie burger, but let’s just call it that.

I don’t like it when I’m asked to pretend cauliflower is rice or anything other than cauliflower. But that tends to happen more with the gluten free crowd.

I like Daiya pizzas, for example, but I don’t buy the ones with fake meat. For some reason the fake cheese doesn’t bother me as much.

The article about Eleven that I read said they aren’t going full vegan. They will still have milk and honey for coffee and tea.

And did Anthony Bourdain accidentally end up at a vegan restaurant?

He was in Punjab in a Parts Unknown episode and was very complimentary about the vegetarian cuisine!

I could eat (and have eaten) vegetarian Indian food weeks on end. However, it’s often not vegan as ghee is used a lot.

Kitchen Confidential

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I don’t have the fine dining budget some of you fortunate folks do, but if cost weren’t an issue, I would be fine with experimenting with ā€œartificialā€ protein sources. I think they have a way to go yet, but I am not at all opposed to them.

There’s a good vegan place in my city, but it definitely is on the pricey side. I only go if I happen to be in the neighbourhood.

Unlike Canda, Taco Bell is always in the neighborhood here.