Thay was another incorrect assumption, made to support his conclusion.
So, yeah, the evangelicals stole that logic.
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But you are very familiar with the idea that we must construct value and meaning for ourselves, right? That is common to a lot of atheistic thinking too.
Nice idea.
Not necessary for living.
This was moving the goalposts, but Iâll play along.
Chimps do have a complex social structure. As far as culture, if you are saying a human is different because chimps canât paint the Mona Lisa or compose an opera, I doubt you could either 
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It isnât moving the goalposts for me.
When i talk about us being self aware and self determining, i mean as a group. and how we do that is to create societies, environments, meaning.
i may not be able to paint a mona lisa, but any person has imagination that a chimp, literally, cannot begin to imagine.
i note the irony of the poster âmagillaGâ arguing against other primates
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Who says that?
Typically one group of people trying to make another group of people do something for them.
Read the dawn of history, great take on how some assholes eventually got other people to do everything for them.
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That stuff comes pretty late in Maslowâs hierarchy of needs.
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Wouldnât it be people supporting your concern?
I am saying that ultimately we much choose in some way what we value, and how we find meaning. This seems opposed to taking that value and meaning from other people in a way that allows you to be controlled by them.
As are cetaceans
You disagree with facts and definitions of words.
You see why i think your view is very narrow, based on your lived experiences and that you are trying way too hard to shoehorn everyone into your incorrect premise.
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I still donât quite understand why you see it this way.
I havenât really made any comments about the content of peoples experience. Iâve just said that everyone searches for meaning and value. Given the universal nature of religion and across all people everywhere, i donât think that is shoehorning anybody. And it gives a basis to connect these very different experiences over time and space.
In fact, i think too much reliance on this idea of âlived experienceâ, which is so often emphasized in postmodern thought, an itself be narrow minded and isolating. It emphasizes our separation. While we are separated from each other in experience, i think we can overcome a great deal of that separation.
Iâm not offended that you see it that way though.
I do think this is closer to my definition of worship and includes lots of atheists, though Iâd add that many people do not âworshipâ anything very hard.
NAs definition is terrible, though I appreciate her translation. Obviously the vast majority of Christians do not worship God, by that definition.
I think many religious folks would dispute this statement. If I donât have water I might lose my earthly body. But if I donât have my faith I might lose my eternal soul, which is infinitely more important.
I donât think number of hours is the correct metric. Itâs more a state of mind. Do you think of yourself as an actuary or a Christian first? Which is the more important component of your identity?
Probably shouldnât use yourself as a judge for that.
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Imma stick with words going by how theyâre defined.
The definition I found of the word worship does not apply to me.
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Iâm not
I meant:
A lot of folks think of themselves as things they arenât.
Which makes time (effort, sacrifice, etc.) a better proxy than self-identity.
