To be clear, i am talking about a priority of value.
Presumably, you don’t value water in and of itself. You value it because it keeps you alive. That you need air and water and food doesn’t make them inherently valuable. It gives them utility.
I prioritize survival and comfort, which makes water pretty important. I don’t worship them. I doubt i prioritize them more than religious Christians.
Do animals other than humans have such thoughts? We are just another animal.
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And i think the answer is that if you really do value your own survival and comfort over all else, then you might as well be worshipping them. You have made them more important than anything else. The hedonists did this.
I doubt you really do that though.
Again, i’m not talking about a list of things that are more important than others. i’m talking about what is most important.
I disagree that we are just another animal. We are self conscious and self determining in a way other animals are not.
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I approve this split.
Not that you need it.
I agree that the idea exists.
I do not agree that it is an absolute fact.
And, the wording is about control
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I think you are excluding reality in forced premise.
You seem to be starting with an evangelical assumption that everyone worships something, and then working your darndest to redefine the definition of “worship” to make it as meaningless as possible in an attempt to make your premise true.
As Lucy pointed out, you need to literally water down your “worship” to people needing water to survive to make your statement true.
I will agree with your effective statement: “all people need water and food to survive.”
48 posts arguing about the definition of a word. This is inane
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If you redefine words to mean something completely different, than you can assert these newly defined words as fact.
It does wonders for manipulating people.
We should possibly merge this thread with “Japan Child Abuse” thread as an example of damage.
People don’t even know what words mean anymore due to their religious upbringing.
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Depends on how you define inane.
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x=y
no x=y+z
no x=y+z-a
no x=1.5y+z-a
ad infinitum
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there’s no way it’s linear…
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I don’t think there is meaning to life ultimately.
I spent a lot of time trying to find something that made sense as a definition, but ultimately that is my conclusion.
In 5 billion years, the sun will swallow the earth, and that’ll be that.
The universe existed for billions of years before me, it’ll do fine when I’m gone.
I do not worship anything.
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I am very confused about why you see an evangelical aspect to this.
We could go back to Cicero, before jesus, and read him talk about piety as service to Rome. He wrote about rome as an eternal empire trying to allow people to live as they are most supposed to live. He found meaning and worship in Rome itself.
The same is true of Plato and Aristotle.
Maybe i have a western bias, or an intellectualized bias. i don’t think it’s a christian bias though, at least not in the way many seem to think it is.
there is another argument sometimes made they tries to equate “worldview” or “paradigm” with “faith”, and the argue that science is no different from faith, or something similar. that is not what i’m arguing here.
inane from the latin root, in anus, meaning the logic is coming through their ass
or you could. It really doesn’t matter
Until this thread I hadn’t heard of the concept that everybody worships something. So, that’s why.
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Chimpanzees and other great apes are both self conscious and self determining.
I disagree with this. I am very skeptical even if these experiment that claim they use abstract language. But they do not create entire societies, culture, environments, and systems of meaning for themselves, as we do.