Democrats Say the Darndest Things!

How many of the people illegally crossing from Mexico to the US (or also legally crossing and then illegally staying) had illegally crossed Mexico’s southern border first?

What if we just started assisting the Mexicans in preventing illegal border crossings into Mexico? Their southern border is a LOT shorter than ours so this might be cost effective, no?

Now we can make Mexico pay for 2 walls!

In all seriousness, I feel like CSPAN’s idea makes the most sense, not just for Mexico but in general. If we let more people in legally then people won’t have to sneak in to Mexico either, and we know the economy can support more immigrants it already supports more than the legal amount.

She seems in better shape mentally than a lot of 83 year olds and did give up her leadership position. I wish she’d retire an let the next generation move in, and by next generation I don’t mean the baby boomers. But at least in her case it’s 2 year term and not 4 or 6. That said, she really should hang em up.

Oh and her district is probably something like D +40, She won in 2022 with 84% of the vote.

Oh, sorry, I misread you! I read your post as dressing down Rastiln for not knowing statistics, but with sweeping statements that were themselves actually completely false. It wouldn’t surprise me if your much more modest claims are true, though I don’t follow that this topic very much.

You are very welcome!

The biggest problem I see with this line of argument is that it assumes that the number of people who might attempt to cross the border operates in a vacuum. It doesn’t; many consider whether or not it’s worth the effort to try and get in “no matter what”.

Some administrations just might have a perceived reputation that makes the attempt not worth the effort. Other administrations have a perceived reputation that makes the attempt look reasonable.

And I think that politicians on both sides get so wrapped up on the idea of “no compromise” on their platform that they refuse to acknowledge reasonable concerns of the other side.

If I’m understanding you correctly, you’re saying it’s possible that the Biden admin is perceived as weaker, resulting in more attempts to cross a “softer” border?

I wouldn’t put it even as a specific politician; it’s the perception of the Party of the leader.

“A Democrat is in charge, so we should have no problem getting in” is what I see many wanting to get in are thinking and making the subsequent attempts.

I think that any Democrat going into the White House after Trump would likely have seen that increased number of crossings. The question is what they do about it.

I will admit that I was surprised to see Biden’s numbers in that situation matching more what Republicans would’ve done in response than what I would’ve expected from a Dem leader.

But I think that any Republican that recognizes those results are very likely to get ostracized by the Party Leadership.

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Would not be surprised if uptick is due in part to profitability of human smuggling. Many of theses desperately poor people scrape together thousands of dollars to pay for transport if news reports are to be believed, or work it off here in shady businesses connected to the transport gangs.

I think you (and the bulk of this discussion/line of reasoning) significantly overestimate the knowledge immigrants have of US politics and even of the US in general. I know a number of legal immigrants from South America and Western/Northern Africa. Their expectations of what the US could provide for them are slightly less fantastical than the anecdotes I have heard in news interviews with legal and illegal immigrants but they still viewed the US as panacea of opportunity. This is the land of milk and honey, after all.

The current president, or their political party, is mostly irrelevant and completely off the radar of all but the most astute immigrants. And those are generally not the individuals immigrating illegally. The driving factors are 1) running from some type of issue at home and 2) a very general perception that the US offers lots of opportunity. There isn’t much more nuance than that.

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This isn’t the type of immigrant that is under discussion. I do not expect to see legal immigrants getting detained or deported at the border.

I, too, know a lot of legal immigrants. I also know several undocumented immigrants. Most of these did come in through legal means, but for whatever reason, their “permission” to be here expired and they’re scared to try to get “right” (or they don’t know what they need to do to get "right’). This group forms part of my view regarding “who’s in office”. They were far more scared/concerned when a Republican was in office than when a Democrat was.

I’m generalizing this group to those who are trying to get in “any way possible”. I would say that the large majority of those crossing illegally don’t understand what they need to do or how to go about doing that. I’m sure that a big factor in that is the result of their own backgrounds and how things worked “back home” and how things worked “on their journey” (how did they get into various countries on their journey?).

But I cannot believe that they would be getting to the border without any knowledge of who is in power (not necessarily knowing a lot about the individual, but getting information that’s more about the Party than the individual) and what they might expect to happen by just “going in”.

More people are trying to cross, but why? Our policy did not change when Biden took office as far as I am aware of.

Maybe Trump’s rhetoric was a deterrent (and the kids in cages thing), but TBH I don’t think people fleeing their own country trying to sneak illegally across the border are really paying much attention to that.

Didn’t Trump say things during COVID along the lines that we would have 0 cases if we stopped testing people?

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If I thought we could actually make that trade, I’d agree with you.

Unfortunately, I think that admitting a lot of skilled immigrants won’t have any impact on the number of people walking across Mexico hoping to get into the US under asylum laws.

I think a Democrat introducing a bill that violates the Constitution (27th amendment in particular) should count. Although I support the bill:

On Wednesday afternoon, Craig announced that she had formally introduced the “My Constituents Cannot Afford Rebellious Tantrums, Handle Your Shutdown Act,” also known as the “MCCARTHY Shutdown Act,” with the expressed desire to halt members’ pay for as long as the government remains shut down.

In a press release, Craig said she wanted to introduce the bill was “because it’s ridiculous that we still get paid while folks like TSA workers are asked to work without a paycheck.”

I think it immediately becoming law would almost certainly be a 27th amendment violation. I think making it applicable to future congresses starting with those sworn in January of 2025 might pass a SCOTUS test.

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Agree… I think adopting that as a policy effective January 3, 2025 would be fine.

I guess the Bob Menendez, 2nd corruption, scandal could go here.

Repeating my thoughts from the first scandal, Senator Jon Stewart sounds good to me.

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WEAPONIZATION OF THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT!!

nah, sounds like he had it coming.

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You’d think beating the wrap on his first corruption charge he’d have a come to god moment and avoid that kind of stuff but sounds more like “hey I got away with it let me double down”

I was tempted to put an ironic “Yes, I am a Democrat and so is Sen. Menendez, but based on what I have seen, I am disappointed and yes, I think he should resign,” Phillips said in an interview with CNN. in here before the corruption was mentioned.

What kind of idiot would say he thinks a corrupt person from his own party should resign, amirite?

Oh. I guess I did put it here, after all.

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