What do you think? Will these agents be held accountable?
I havenât been paying attention, but all my conservative friends have been posting stuff about how they werenât whipping and what you were seeing was a double rein hanging down or something to that effect. Have they been whipping?
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I saw a picture. The one agent sure looked like they had a whip, with a handle and not a rein. Unclear if they were whipping the immigrants, or their horse though.
Edited: Found it. See the middle guy with the cowboy hat in the second pic:
Looks like a whip handle.
All the other pictures posted sure look like reins not whips. And if you look at the agent I mentioned in the above pic, he also seems to be holding a rein.
Conclusion: inconclusive.
Also added, jeezus what a cluster *** either way. Have some compassion for these unfortunate people.
We get illegal immigrants crossing the border from the US into Canada. Hereâs how that works:
Disagree. it is part of the reins. But it does appear that all of them have the longer reins.
And I donât think it does anyone justice to make a judgement call on just a still photo. I would like to see video of the actions.
And starting with the assumption that an immigrant is âseeking asylumâ for anyone that is trying to cross the border w/o following established procedures isnât going to end well for anyone.
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â5k in three monthsâ is a far cry from the 10k that was all waiting at Del Rio.
Add to that the fact that the border patrol is in a âdamned if they do; damned if they donâtâ position in trying to handle those who âflauntâ the entry process by just forcing their way onto US soil.
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I do agree that the US would benefit from having more multi-lingual officers on the border so that instructions can be provided in the immigrantâs language.
From the article I posted:
During a leaders debate (without Justin Trudeau), for example, Green leader Elizabeth May poked at Conservative leader Andrew Scheer for fanning misinformation about the migrants. âYou act as if people are illegal when they come here as refugees. Under international refugee conventions, people have every right to come and claim refugee status,â she said.
Which seems to say that border jumping is actually quite legal internationally. Still, many arenât doing this legally. Nevertheless, the difference is in how the border jumpers are treated when they cross. Whip or no whip, I donât need to see a video to conclude that at the south border of the US, govât officials are treating people like animals.
Theyâre coming into both the US and Canadian borders. Some of them are illegal, some arenât. They need to be processed to conclude that. None of that is an excuse for poor treatment.
Rounding people up on horseback like theyâre animals is because thereâs âtoo manyâ? I donât think so. Itâs about attitude, not numbers.
Read the article again. it describes how the immigrants on the south border of Canada react:
âOne moment, now you are in Canada. You are under arrest for illegal entry to Canada. Do you understand?â
Everyone nods and then proceeds, struggling with luggage and backpacks, holding their childrensâ hands. Often the RCMP help with the kids.
Split reins - one end of each rein is attached to each side of the bit. The reins are held crossed together in the riderâs hand (just one hand, no serious rider uses two hands, and no serious rider ever grabs the horn on the saddle). see front rider in your link.
The rider you are questioning clearly is holding the reins crossed in his left hand. Heâs using his right hand and the associated long rein to direct and control his horse.
Conclusion - No whipping of migrants
Fair enough. Theyâre not using whips, though itâs easy for the horse-ignorant to see that picture and conclude that there is.
I thought the guy who took the original photo said there was no actual whipping and it was just a weird camera angle. Is there any actual video?
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Iâm fairly horse-ignorant, but careful inspection of the picture will show that itâs part of the reins. Thatâs why I work to not respond to any still pic intended to generate outrage. (Not accusing you of such, but the twitter poster.)
And I donât disagree with the Canadian approach in principle; but how would the RCMP respond if theyâre faced with 10k people trying to force their way into Canada and working real hard to elude arrest?
And I will concede that many of our border agents donât speak a wide range of languages; I believe most can speak some Spanish. I doubt many can speak other languages, though.
Thereâs a number where it becomes acceptable to switch from treating people with respect to treating them like animals? That doesnât justify anything.
Plus:
"The routine is practiced and orderly as the arrivals wait for RCMP warnings of illegal entry, then cross over.
Which suggests that one person sitting in a lawnchair with a megaphone and a bunch of busdrivers would be able to handle a surprisingly large number of border jumpers.
One problem is that the asylum system is somewhat broken and abused by false claims on a regular basis. A 2020 Syracuse study found that over 70% of asylum claims are denied. That number dipped during the 2008-2012 years as immigration dropped but has gone up steadily since.
People even abuse the refugee system by claiming to qualify when they do not. That is a little harder to fake. Abuse of temporary refugee status by way of overstays is fairly common.
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Yes, there is actual video. I saw some video coverage of this event.
I recommend you go watch it. I recommend everyone go watch it so that opinions can be made based on it rather than inflammatory headlines and half-informed statements.
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My question wasnât an attempt to justify whatâs taking place on the southern US border. I agree that there are better ways to respond (in language instruction being at the top of that list).
My question is more theoretical on how the RCMP would respond if theyâre confronted with the same scenario of people attempting entry who do not respect authority. Iâm not sure that one person in a lawn chair is going to dissuade 500 individuals who are all bent on entering the country and wonât take ânoâ for an answer.
The scenario you present for âborder crossersâ isnât exactly analogous to whatâs being experienced in Del Rio.
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Link?
unfortunately I donât have it handy. Iâd have to google it. Iâll try to find time later.
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