I’m with you @twig93. I thought I had seen studies posted that indicated kids actually get it less and I want to say they thought it might have to do with some receptors that the virus uses that you get more of the older you get.
Ok, but there are non-zero cases of both whooping cough and measles pretty much every year in the United States (maybe exactly every year… too lazy to check).
If there are zero cases in one locale and you’re posting in a forum with people from all over North America then I don’t think it’s reasonable to say that the risk is eliminated just because maybe it’s currently eliminated in that locale, specifically.
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I think the regions are larger than a town but smaller than a state. I haven’t followed the details, though.
Kids get it less than older people, but they still get it often enough to matter for “herd immunity”, especially with Delta. This data at this link is all from 2020, and I’m pretty sure that initial hump of elders is because that’s when you couldn’t get a test without pretty much being hospitalized. It’s also pre vaccine. Data in my state shows kids are about as likely as adults to get it today, except that the 20-30 set are the most likely to be infected, probably because they tend to socialize a lot and are less likely to be vaccinated.
Also of note is that people shitpost on VAERS–anyone can report anything.
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Ok, well my friend’s son got a community-acquired case in the Bay Area. Not traveling through the third world or anything.
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People I actually know who didn’t plan to get vaccinated before this mandate: 4.
Of those 2 work for large employers and will have a decision to make (vaccinate or test). That decision may be based on who pays for the test. One of the two has plans to start a business but lacks some needed funds. So she could quit the large employer job if the funding worked out for her new venture.
A 3rd won’t get vaxed unless she has drastically changed her views since last spring. I believe she is considered self employed but not sure.
The 4th works at a prison, but I don’t remember if it’s a state or federal prison. If state, no requirement. If federal, I wouldn’t be surprised if he looked for another job.
Do any of folks on here who are anti-mandate except in this case because, you know, COVID, think it would be okay for cops to conduct warrantless searches of homes during times when crime is high?
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Wait, OSHA rules exempt State Governments? Because I think our state’s government is the largest employer in the state. I would imagine there are some counties and cities that might fall under the 100 employee limit. Or is that a 10th amendment thing?
I dunno but I don’t think my state will comply.
So… I’m pro some mandates and anti others. I was pro measles vaccine mandate a couple of years ago. But as i said, details matter. Requiring a vaccine to go to school isn’t the same as forcibly vaccinating people.
No, i don’t support warrantless searches of you home. On the other hand, I’ve been putting up with warrantless searches every time i fly for several years, now, even though i believe those searches are mostly useless, and “security theater”.
When you chose to fly you put up with warrantless searches. That’s great.
Why shouldn’t the police be allowed to conduct warrantless searches in times of high crime?
I don’t remember posting something like this, unless it was a long time ago based on cases, which was possibly just based on lack of testing kids, who tend to be more likely to be either asymptomatic or mild.
I’m not sure how they make these estimates, but the CDC estimates kids (0-17) as being the 2nd most likely age group to be infected (as of May 2021) at about 37% infected, behind only the 18-49 group that was estimated at ~44%. After Delta, surely these numbers in the far left columns are even higher.
Because we kids tend to be asymptomatic or mild, transmission is less likely. Asymptomatic spread has been estimated in one study at about 0.7% secondary attack rate in households (I think I’ve posted that study here somewhere) - and virtually nil outside the household. There are few documented cases of contact tracing that showed a child infecting an adult (there are some, but it’s rare). That could be an issue of inaccurately identifying the index case, could be the fact that in many places children have been more isolated, but looking to places like Sweden or even Germany that didn’t close schools, they saw schools acting as a “brake” on community transmission.
To Mr. Contact’s point, I’ve seen speculation that kids are less susceptible due to having fewer ACE2 receptors - for example, this editorial that I just found through Google (so I have not vetted): https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2766522
Well, you should wait for a credible source.
And, even Lucy’s is only regarding the reporting of cases, which excludes anyone not reporting but being asymptomatic.
Hey, look what I found in JAMA (pre-Delta):
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2777314
On a side note, looks like the CDC is referring to the confidence interval as an uncertainty interval, although it is clearly a confidence interval based on their definition.
I wonder if the word “confidence” confused people too much.
Well, that “warrantless” is carrying a lot of weight. I bet when some states were sending thugs into homes to forcibly vaccinate, they had warrants to do so. “This court finds reason to believe that the people living at this address have not been vaccinated for smallpox”, or something like that.
And we do allow the police to break into your home in some circumstances.
I don’t think the covid epidemic is nearly serious enough to justify breaking into people’s homes and forcibly vaccinating them. Fortunately, no one is suggesting we do so.
You’re trying too hard to turn the warrantless search into the method by which Joe Biden plans to vaccinate people. That’s not where we’re going here. There’s an area of town where there’s a lot of rapes, a lot of murders, and a lot of burglaries going on. It’s 10 times as much as any other part of town. More than that if you want. If it makes you happy, everyone in this area is white. It’s a real crime epidemic going on over there. Something has to be done. What’s the problem with letting the police conduct warrantless searches of homes, businesses, cars, etc. looking for evidence to solve some of these crimes and get the bad guys off the streets?
The problem with your comment is that it is completely disconnected from the facts, which you reduce to the word “COVID”.
Then you ask about a situation so completely hypothetical that anything said about it is only going to reflect the biases of the person giving the answer.
Sadly, this is pretty representative of many republican approaches to covid (which i refuse to dignify with the term “conservative”.)
Do you think there should never be searches without warrants? What about the South during the civil war? Should the union have sent police forces and judges down instead of armies? Where would you draw the line?
I know of at least one company requiring vaccination to work from home. That feels, odd to say the least.