The proper reaction I was going for. Thanks!
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His accuser (Karen actuary) got fired. He did well:
Not sure how much I was actually rooting for him, he came off as a pretentious ass in the initial encounter
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Apparently she filed suit against her former employer for wrongful termination, had the case dismissed, and appealed and the case was dismissed again.
Amy giving her side of the story, because the media tends to overblow things and cancel culture is relentless. Not to say that she was completely innocent, but she sure didn’t deserve this.
I Was Branded the 'Central Park Karen'. I Still Live in Hiding - Newsweek.
There were never any racial implications to my words.
“I’m going to tell them there’s an African American man threatening my life.”
I can agree that the all-or-nothing “ruin her life” approach is too much, but it sounds like she hasn’t acknowledged what she did.
She also stresses that Christian had a history of aggressive behavior, but other parties subject to it haven’t come forward because they’re white and Christian is Black. She never states that she knew of the man or his behavior beforehand, so that reeks of retconning reasons that she was scared.
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I was just about to forget all about her.
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I’m going to tell them there’s an African American man threatening my life.
This kind of statement is something I listen for to sniff out either unconscious bias or potentially explicit racism lurking within a person.
When somebody starts a story like, “So I was in the store and I saw this Black family”, I immediately begin listening to see why it mattered if they were Black. If the story goes, “and this white guy was being really rude to them” then the inclusion of their race was normal. If the story continues “and they were so loud and rude, the kids had no manners” then I know mentioning them being Black at most generous is probably unconscious bias.
It’s often not malicious. My partner did it when we began dating because their family is racist and they just picked up speech patterns. It significantly decreased and no longer exists as they went through college and diverged from the family.
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Or, it is ingrained in their DNA?
so is she still working as an actuary or what
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There is no “Amy Cooper” listed in the actuarial directory.
(That doesn’t, however, preclude her from being in the directory with a changed name.)
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I believe she does a solo consultancy job now and lives far from NYC, but the small amount of location detail I have I’ll keep quiet. I had no desire to dig further, as I wasn’t one of the ones on “team ruin her life”. Though I also had no sadness over her being fired.
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Yeah, I certainly wasn’t hoping for her life to be ruined and I hope that she was/is able to pick herself up and find other work.
She voluntarily engaged in behavior which put her employer in a situation where they realistically had no choice but to fire her, so that was a perfectly reasonable outcome.
Seems likely that she would have needed to change her name after that incident. But I think you can also request to not be listed in the directory. (Not positive about that.)
I believe she was reported to the ABCD by multiple actuaries for violating precept 1 of the Code of Conduct. I never did hear the outcome of that. Not sure if I missed it, if the outcome was dismissal or private censure, or if the case is still pending.
Exactly. She’s just shooting herself in the foot all over again with this statement. She hasn’t ruined her life enough already?
She needed to hire a publicist before putting forth a statement, but it’s too late now.
This is just an incredibly dishonest take. If a person was actually attacking her then “there’s an African American man threatening my life” would be a perfectly reasonable thing to say. When she’s lying in the first place, the inclusion of his race can only be to weaponize it.
She needed to sincerely apologize and say that she regrets her behavior. But now any such statement will be largely ignored.
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But I think you can also request to not be listed in the directory. (Not positive about that.)[/quote]
you can
as far as i remember the ABCD declined to act.
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Ahhh bird watching finally paid off - take that mom and dad!
Utterly bizarre that she was reported.
The altercation that she was involved in had nothing to do with her actuarial work, nor did it bring the profession into disrepute.
I felt sorry for her because she really did get cancelled and they kept kicking her while she was down.
Didn’t sit right with me.
Lose job? Fine. But that should have been the end of it.
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Precept 1 of the AAA’s Code of Professionalism:
The obligation to act honestly and with integrity is not constrained to an actuary’s actuarial work.
If an actuary is publicly caught being very naughty even in non-work ways, sanctions are appropriate.
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I do not read that to mean I am required to uphold the code outside of my professional work. If I cheat on my spouse, do I face the ABCD? What about speeding? Substance abuse?
She was someone walking in the park, and I don’t recall she cited her credentials in the dispute, nor was there any reasonable expectation that she was using them in the capacity.
Now could the ABCD decide to kick her out? I think so, but I would also expect a lawsuit to follow.
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No criminal charges. So, while justifiable public outrage, do we sanction ever actuary caught in an altercation that goes public? Has every actuary ever arrested (non-financial) been brought up?
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