Uh, that was over 5 years ago.
Then there was the actual bill they produced, which was 70 pages long and a good chunk of it was dedicated to ensuring if you won the lottery, then you couldnât get Medicaid, because thatâs a top priority.
Republicans seriously have jack shit on healthcare. Just half-assed, half-baked concepts of a plan. Say what you will about the ACA, it was serious legislation. Republicans are a total joke on this issue.
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We had the same experience. I retired thinking that my employer would continue our group health for at least a few years (they had a liability on the balance sheet for future contributions to retiree health insurance). But, 2008 hit and that was a good excuse to drop it. We got the letter when my wife was starting chemo.
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Sorry, that was a f**ked up time in the individual health market in the US. It was crazy that someone previously in good health and maintaining coverage could find themselves completely screwed if they got a serious illness.
It was serious legislation that those who supported it didnât even read. Remember them saying they have to pass it before they could read it?
ACA added a ton of debt to the country.
And the whole âif you like your doctor, then you can keep your doctorâ was a bit of a ruse.
The ACA got tens of millions coverage. They barely passed it, and couldnât get the public option. It didnât address core issues like drug pricing, or prepare us for the onslaught of VC money driving prices in every nook of the industry.
But compared to anything offered by republicans, night and day. Trumpâs had a decade, said he would repeal and replace it with something better within the first two weeks. Easy to criticize the ACA, but we are way, way past put up or shut up. I went to college in Missouri, the show me state. Show me something or STFU.
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Exactly, you can bitch all you want about the problems with ACA, but at least it was an honest attempt and big step above the prior market.
I was kind of hoping the Republicans might burn it all down to the ground which is probably what we need for a government takeover of the industry when the people without care eventually revolt and vote the bums out.
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While Pelosi said a lot of dumb things, she did not say this. Itâs a famous misquote.
Itâs a remarkable thing about our times that people are willing to repeat easily debunked lies for entire decades.
It helps answer the eternal question: How did Trump win?
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Iâll bet a significant portion of people actually believe that Al Gore said that he invented the internet. Itâs scary that propaganda works so well.
It always is. Cuz, doctors retire, move, quit one network and go to another network, etc.
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Some things are worth saving. Like American Lives.
Perhaps you donât agree.
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Also, ACA did not add debt at the time⌠It added spending, but was supported by revenue.
Since then, Republicans cut a lot of the revenue (taxes and mandates), and Democrats increased spending (the COVID subsidies weâre talking about now) so it probably will add debt now.
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Yeah. Youâd think many people would be afraid of being called stupid or dishonest for repeating lies like that.
Maybe they just get called stupid/dishonest so many times they build up emotional armor against it? Or maybe they love liars so much that they stop valuing integrity? Obviously some people are genuinely dumb, but others I just donât get.
Lots of sociopathic tendencies brought on by poor parenting. Proper Parenting is supposed to tamp those down.
She said, "âWe have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in itâ
My issue is that government is the most inefficient way to run pretty much anything. Having them run healthcare would increase costs and decrease efficiency.
I have family in Canada, who have told me crazy stories of how long theyâve had to wait to get appointments under the socialized medicine they have there. I donât want that here.
American lives are worth saving. But it has to be done in the right way. Also, if youâre going to give free or discounted healthcare, it should be the same for everyone. Iâd much prefer to see health insurance run by companies who care about costs. Set a certain amount for premiums that are a tax credit, so you get it back at the end of the year. That way, people can get a free basic plan through a company, and those who want better coverage can pay extra for it, while still getting the tax credit to cover part of the cost.
Donât let government run any of the programs!
Also, government provided healthcare should only be for American citizens.
Hereâs another one of those easily debunked propaganda tropes. Just look at the DOGE fiasco if you want proof of the idiocy of this statement. They scoured several agencies looking for waste, fraud and abuse but found nothing significant. I guess it depends on your definition of efficiency, but imo healthcare should not be run as a business that is trying to maximize profits.
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Although the point was not made clearly or explicitly, the sense of Pelosiâs remarks was that the benefits (in her view) of the bill â rather than the contents of the bill â would only be fully revealed to the public after the legislation was passed and implemented.
Most important, the contents of the Affordable Care Act had been publicly available and publicly debated for months when Pelosi made her remarks in March 2010. The bill, in its original form, was passed by the House of Representatives in October 2009, and in the Senate that December. Although the bill was unusually long (the act runs to 906 pages in the legislative record, with many more pages of regulations) its contents had been subjected to intensive debate and scrutiny in both houses of Congress.
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She said, âWe have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.â
In your self-correction, you somehow forgot half of the sentence.
In your original quote, you not only forgot half of the sentence, but you got the pronoun wrong. She passed the bill so that you can find out what is in it.
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Anyway, Iâm sure weâre all smart enough to know better than to confuse subject and object, or to quote half-sentences.
And probably several people have already pointed all that out to you.
So itâs a weird mystery to me youâd just choose to play ultra-dumb.
But obviously youâre not the only one. Itâs just the way world is.
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