2023 NFL Football thread

agree with the pressures being an issue. but the window to be relevant is SOOOOO tiny. they more or less all seem to believe the guy has at most 2 yrs left (he could go longer, who knows) and that he stunk last year. if the draft unfolds and they could get one of the top 4 QBs at 13…well, I guess they can still get that guy at 15 assuming GB stays put and NE doesn’t trade out to someone who will take that QB.

slight tangent - does zach wilson play on any team starting in his 5th year (this is yr3)? it will not be the 5th yr option unless a miracle occurs. how will he demonstrate he is worth even a min sal deal?

I think it’s pretty hard for a top draft pick not to bounce around to 3-4 teams before people stop giving them a chance. Lot of coaches think they can fix him and see the talent that was there. Have to think he’ll at least be on a practice squad somewhere.

Trades are no merely a trade of players (of various ability levels). You are trading away a player of somewhat unknown quality (he is 39 after all) for players of completely unknown potential (draft picks) and differential salary cap considerations (don’t discount the heavy hit the Packers must absorb) and differential team adhesion (perhaps Rogers only plays for 1 year). Maybe he stays for 4 years. It is reasonable to believe “who won the trade” cannot be determined for several years, based on how long Rogers plays, what GB does with the picks, how long those picks stay around and how well they play.

It seems like GB got a good return if they get a 1st rounder and Rogers only plays 1 year, but don’t discount the difficulty that the GB GM will have building a team with a 40M salary cap hole. This will mean that any benefit of Love’s rookie contract is more than offset by an aggregate lack of talent.

That cap hit is immediate, right? So, one year of not making a decent team means better draft position in 2024. Packers aren’t getting relegated, after all.
I assume the executive management and the GM understand this, and the GM doesn’t get canned at the end of the season because of this pre-ordained result.

Yes, it seems the 40.3 dead money hit is all in 2023, but there is an additional 17M dead money hit from 8 other players. 57M in dead money will make this team non-competitive. And even if the dead money problem goes away in 2024, there is a lack of talent on the team. This is a multi year rebuilding that is just beginning, even if Jordan Love proves capable.

Wilson will find a home somewhere if he can demonstrate arm strength, accuracy, ability to run the other team’s offenses in practice and keep a good attitude. Geno Smith is a great reminder that someone can learn and excel by being in right situation. Ryan Fitzpatrick bounced around for years.

Any different if Rodgers were there? Better or worse?
I mean, is Rodgers an attraction for non-Packer players deciding whether to play in GB or somewhere else? Or, is he a deterrent?

It’s only speculation, but I would assume top quality WR’s might be less inclined to play for GB & Jordan Love vs GB & ARod.

Correct
Josh Rosen made the roster of four different teams.

We have a new leader in the worst public subsidy for a stadium

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There is a track record established here already. Rodgers can’t play more than 2 years in NY without blowing up that team UNLESS he changes how much of the payroll he wants to take. He could have kept Adams if that was meaningful.

Anybody know of a good cellphone company that gets coverage in fancy homes? Asking for a friend…

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Looking up the children of Bud Adams, it actually looks like their only major assets are the team.

Similar to Rooney, Mara, Davis and Halas McKaskey (and now snyder?) families, it seems that they are billionaires purely due to owning am NFL team and not based on any actual “business” dealings in decades.

I guess the Jalen Hurts deal helped define the market price, but Lamar seems to have accepted less in guaranteed money than Kyler Murray (189M) and Watson (230M) at 185M, but a total contract price of 260M.

My initial reaction is that the Ravens overpaid.

Not all guaranteed money is the same.

Will be curious to see what is actually guaranteed.

This was a good line, and I just hit the over

OK, so what happened?
That’s right, nothing happened. No sports occurred.
So, what up with Levis? A toe injury scared teams away? What team that needed a QB passed on him?
well, he goes later and maybe gets a bug up his butt to prove everyone wrong. SEA can take him in the third.

I was underwhelmed with the Bear’s pick. Spent a top 10 pick on someone who may have otherwise fallen out of the top 20. I wonder how much Jalen Carter’s unwillingness to visit teams outside the top 10 hurt trade prospects.

Very questionable moves by Detroit.

very odd indeed. not respecting the consensus value and not close. made me think of the gruden raiders who were clearly using outside the box rankings.