Just to clarify – I’m not advocating for a mandatory return to office. I’m not even entirely happy with the extent to which my employer has been pushing for hybrid work.
But I am saying that there is some value to being in office, for reasons that I don’t think can be completely addressed by remote-working tools. I don’t think the loss of that value is enough to force employees back into the office…but I can see how someone might draw a different conclusion.
This. Or at a minimum, it’s certainly not universally true that it’s enough to force employees back into the office in all circumstances. The trade offs are going to vary based on a lot of factors. Is there high turnover and a very collaborative type of work and everyone lives within 15 miles of the office anyway? That’s different from having a very experienced and largely autonomous team currently scattered around the country. And the actual job matters and a gazillion other things.
My only point is that it’s a tradeoff.
Probably in most cases the advantages of WFH outweigh the disadvantages. But it’s a disadvantage and it’s silly to pretend it’s not.
I have been onboarded onto five teams over the years. The most recent one was in March 2020. I never really gave it much thought until now, but it took me far longer to get up to speed on this most recent team than any other, except maybe my very first job out of college, just because all my interactions and learnings had to be intentional and scheduled.
And I am a seasoned actuary, so it should not have taken longer, but because of virtual, it did. I learn a LOT by overhearing conversations in the office.
I appreciate other perspectives, but I do not and will not do my best learning or working in a virtual environment, and I would never work in a fully remote role again by choice.
I think there is real value in overhearing your coworkers. And real value in serendipitously running into people at the coffee pot. But there are also real costs to overhearing your coworkers (witness the popularity of headphones – their purpose is to avoid overhearing people, by and large.) And of course commuting is an enormous cost.
Personally, i love working from home. I’m my ideal world I’m in the office once every month or three to socialize with coworkers, and otherwise working from home. I’m probably going to retire before they drag me back in much more than that.
Since my team is a diaspora across the US with about half of them in the home office city, my ideal would be 1-2x a year if it’s in budget, fly people in for a(n optional) week in-person, with some bonding activities built in, otherwise have the office open if people feel like coming in.
Completely agree. On paper I’m 100% WFH, but in practice I visit a couple (possibly adding a third) office every month or two for some of this. Just by sitting next to a couple underwriters while they debated an account was super insightful for me.
Yeah I’ve had teams meetings with them but frankly they’re junior underwriters and I would have never bothered and it’d all be so much more formal with a meeting. Forcing yourself to be a little outgoing and immersing with other units can be really useful.
On the other hand doing actual work in an office sucks. I’m so much more productive at home and my quality of life is so much better, so I’m all for mostly WFH but occasionally making an effort to get in person with people in and outside of actuarial. And being in an office without the right people or where you don’t really connect with people is a complete waste of commuting, etc. time.
My company has taken advantage of remote work to hire people who wouldn’t move here. They have a fine line to toe if they mandate locals come to the office all 5 days because it is so important to collaborate in person. What does that say to our remote workers? We do have hybrid (I am 3 ITO 2 WFH), and they have asked us to respect the schedule. Mgmt’s impression is many locals are WFH more often than they are signed up for. Might be true, although I am not a regular violator.
(Supposedly non-paywalled link)
https://www.wsj.com/articles/new-grads-have-no-idea-how-to-behave-in-the-office-help-is-on-the-way-677f6ba1?st=6oui7jk5i5pam2a&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
The claim is that new college grads, who may have had part of their college education online, and who may not have had in-person internships, are entering the workforce without the communication and networking skills of past cohorts.
Isn’t Leticia Baldrige still published?
I bought that book when i got my first job.
NYT says companies are getting desperate. Not sure why. Is the work not getting done?
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/20/business/return-to-office-remote-work.html
If not subscribed (I’m not; must be my one free article):
Manny Medina, the chief executive of a Seattle-based artificial intelligence sales company, doesn’t mind repeating himself. It comes with the territory, after all. That tolerance proved convenient this year as he faced the same question innumerable times.
Wait, so why was it you wanted us back in the office?
The engineers reminded him of their commutes. The working parents reminded him of school pickup times. Mr. Medina replied with arguments he has delineated so often that they have come to feel like personal mantras: Being near each other makes the work better. Mr. Medina approached three years of mushy remote-plus-office work as an experiment. His takeaway was that ideas bubble up more organically in the clamor of the office.
“You can interrupt each other without being rude when you’re in person,” said Mr. Medina, whose company, Outreach, is now in the office on a hybrid basis. “In a Zoom conversation, you have to let somebody finish their thought.”
For tens of millions of office workers, it’s been three years of scattershot plans for returning to in-person work — summoning people in, not really meaning it, everybody pretty much working wherever they pleased. Now, for the umpteenth time, businesses are ready to get serious.
A wave of companies called workers back to the office this spring and summer: Disney said four days a week, Amazon swung with three (prompting a walkout from corporate workers), Meta and Lyft are aiming for September deadlines for many of their employees. Others devised new tactics to ensure their return-to-office policies stuck. Google, which has asked most workers to be in the office three days a week, announced that performance reviews could take into account lengthy unexplained absences from the office, and badge records could be reviewed to identify those consistent absences, said Ryan Lamont, a company spokesman.
Google employees will be granted the ability to work remotely only on an extremely rare basis. “We want to see Googlers connecting and collaborating in person, so we’re limiting remote work to exception only,” Mr. Lamont said.
These new policies come as business leaders accept that hybrid work is a permanent reality, with just over a quarter of full workdays in the country now done at home, and offices still at half their prepandemic occupancy. (Though that 50 percent occupancy metric combines Tuesdays and Wednesdays, when offices are bustling, with Fridays, when they tend to be ghost towns.)
Salesforce, the business software behemoth, announced that for a 10-day period, it will give a $10 charitable donation per day on behalf of any employee who comes into the office (or for remote employees who attend company events). A spokeswoman said it was only natural the company would want to find moments for “doing well and doing good.” But to some employees, it might feel like a tonal shift, given that the company’s previous workplace plans were announced with fanfare for a future in which much of its staff could be fully or partially remote forever. (The company emphasized that this remains the case.)
“An immersive workspace is no longer limited to a desk in our Towers,” the company wrote in a February 2021 memo. “The 9-to-5 workday is dead.”
It was very much alive on a recent Monday at Salesforce Tower in New York, as a hum of activity filled the 41-story building looming over Bryant Park. Desks and conference rooms were filled with employees, some of them visiting from San Francisco for the company’s A.I.-focused day. In the top-floor lounge, workers stood in line waiting for coffee, as Salesforce’s catering team prepared shrimp tacos for an office event that week.
Scattered throughout the office were the company’s animal mascots. Brandy the fox represents marketing. Astro the astronaut sat behind a piano in the 41st floor lounge. Codey the bear stood guard near the developers.
“It’s the impromptu-ness of in-person — so for example, I was at the office and there was somebody from Chicago, she was in the San Francisco office — ‘Oh do you have time to go and chat and have a meeting about a strategy that we’re rolling out?’” said Nathalie Scardino, Salesforce’s global head of talent strategy. “Inevitably, as a high-tech company, you have to keep changing to meet the needs of the business, of the customer.”
It’s not often that the entire white-collar business world gets thrown into an impromptu experiment — executives left to discern how to make multimillion-dollar decisions in between bursts of “you’re on mute,” employees figuring out how to forge friendships and nudge mentors for advice while sitting next to piles of their laundry.
And for the last three years, some office decision-making has come to feel like parents scrambling to impose rules on an unruly home: “Do this.” “Why?” “Because I said so.” But now some business leaders say that the results of their remote work experiment are in. They feel emphatically that they need some in-person time. After months of layoffs, especially in tech, their next business moves feel particularly consequential.
“When the economy was warm, executives thought, ‘I’d really like to have people back but it’s OK because I have this margin of error,’” said Mark Ein, chairman of Kastle, the security firm whose “back to work barometer” made it a pandemic celebrity. “Now that things are tougher, they want to hunker down and have their people in the office.”
DocuSign, which has more than 6,500 employees spread across the globe, became a poster child for the lurching back-and-forth over return-to-office planning. The company had hoped to call employees back in May 2020, then August 2020, then October 2021, then January 2022. Then the plans disintegrated altogether.
But this month, much of the company finally came back to the office. Since February, executives have evaluated every role at the company and decided roughly 70 percent were hybrid, meaning people would be partly in the office and partly remote, 30 percent were fully remote and under 1 percent were fully in the office. Jennifer Christie, the company’s new chief people officer, absorbed dozens of questions from concerned employees.
“This can be a very polarizing subject,” she said, adding that she views this summer as a period of experimentation in which she and other company leaders will evaluate what parts of their hybrid plan need changing. “We’re running water through pipes that haven’t had water run through them in a long time. So where are there going to be leaks?”
But Docusign’s leaders were ready, she added, to stop talking about how to get people back in the office and start making their plans real. “We could debate it forever, we could speculate about what’s going to happen forever, but the best way for us to understand how this will impact our culture and productivity and collaboration is to just start doing it.”
It’s been a long period of choose-your-own-adventure style workplace planning, and the shift companies have made toward firmer deadlines has taken some recruiters by surprise. Jasmine Silver, who runs a recruitment firm specializing in mothers hoping to re-enter the work force, found that in the last few months, many of her clients transitioned abruptly from fully remote to either hybrid or entirely in-office work. The transition was jarring for some workers, especially those who had moved far from their offices, or had become attached to new work-from-home habits.
And it’s healthy for people to be able to express those frustrations, psychologists said.
“What appears to be a grumbling or complaint is in many cases a request for understanding,” said Tracy Maylett, an organizational psychologist. “When you look at change, the most dangerous people are people who are quiet, because you don’t know what they’re thinking. You can’t address their concerns.”
The period of hand-wringing also tends to be temporary, judging by those companies now settled in their hybrid routines. Asana, for example, the productivity software firm, asked employees to come in at least on Mondays, Tuesdays and Thursdays starting in 2022.
For months, return to office, or R.T.O., was a big topic of office conversation. Everybody had questions, and they were all directed toward Anna Binder, the head of human resources.
“Before we R.T.O.’d — I love that that’s now in the Webster Dictionary — it was a topic of conversation because R.T.O. was theoretical, and being on the other side of the pandemic was theoretical,” Ms. Binder said. “Most people came, returned and are here. Some people tried it, decided, ‘It’s not for me,’ and they left.”
Now, Ms. Binder continued, the issue doesn’t really come up. Return to office isn’t a hypothetical scenario. It’s their reality. And they have so much else to talk about.
“Somebody on my team just recently fell in love with somebody, and she came in one day and it was like, ‘What is going on with you?’” Ms. Binder said. “She got so red and she was like, ‘My whole life has changed.’ To share that moment with another human being — it was really emotional.”
NYT continues to be a cheerleader for RTO, despite an overwhelming number of comments for each article being against it.
The tax base in large cities like NYC will get hit if commercial offices are sitting emptier.
After that, its the restaurants and other shops that get hit due to lack of footfall.
Its the same story in London.
I love how all the HR people in that NYT article give ridiculous examples of office attendance having a positive effect.
I’ve begun leaning this direction more recently as well. Office rent cycle having material economic effects on real estate investments and their derivatives is a thing.
Related story (supposedly free link):
https://www.wsj.com/articles/vacant-offices-are-piling-up-in-silicon-valley-68e19f7?st=jnn7m6ocdu0m7a9&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
tl;dr: Office space vacancy rates are climbing in Silicon Valley and are around 25% in San Francisco.
If the offices look like that opening photo, no wonder people don’t want to go back.
Or … wait for it… we could retrofit all these vacant office buildings into housing, reduce housing costs dramatically in our major cities, and watch people move to cities in droves to access all the wonderful restaurants and shops in their area.
That’s what I’d like to see happen. We have a mall in sad shape that foreclosed. If they retrofit it to provide a lot of housing and maybe find a way to keep the Chipotle and Blaze Pizza, I wouldn’t be against living there. Comes complete with its own indoor walking center…
Ironically, NYT write about that too. The tldr is that lighting and ventilation requirements make it tricky to convert some office towers.
That doesn’t look worse to me than what my company wants me to return to. Yes, it’s got an industrial look. But there’s light, ventilation, and privacy.
We have slightly less space, and it’s not assigned. So you need to book space every day. You can’t leave anything at “your” desk, because you don’t actually have a home. I can’t stand it.
We have to book as well but they added small lockers to every floor so we could keep some things in the office.
Pretty much nobody now has their own office (even the CFO).
They renovated the London office in the City and they replaced the old offices with meeting rooms. We also book those meeting rooms as well when needed.