I’d hazard a guess that far more people have quit because they can no longer deal with the ongoing shitshow fueled by anti-vax, conspiracy-theorist, covid-minimizers/deniers than have quit or been fired due to vaccine mandates. Resiliency pizza and gratitude cookies somehow doesn’t make up for vitriol and unnecessary deaths. 
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The pandemic of 1889 might offer the best insights into the next few years. The pattern of infection was very similar to COVID19 and many researchers now think it was OC43, a now common coronavirus that causes only a mild cold. That pandemic caused notable waves of illness for about 5 years. 2x a year boosters for life seems unlikely, but it also suggests a single round of vaccine or natural immunity would be enough for this to to become a mild endemic cold virus.
Uh, no… one dose was NEVER recommended, except for J&J.
And in hindsight J&J going with one dose may have been a mistake.
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One of my extremely pro-vax friends is having a severe allergic reaction to a Moderna booster. She went to the ER and they had her on an IV for several hours with some mix of drugs that made her feel better, but now she’s home and miserable.
She has a rash, not at the injection site, and intense itching that she can’t sleep through. ER prescribed Prednisone and told her to use CeraVe lotion, but it’s not helping… or at least not helping enough. She’s literally bruised from all of the scratching.
Anyone had any experience like this or know someone who has? Any advice?
She’s meeting her PCP later today, but hoping for relief sooner.
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Ooof — sounds like my reaction to an antibiotic I got 10 years ago (though I didn’t end up on an IV). Worst 10 days of my life before it faded.
It’s stories like this which makes me somewhat sympathetic to the anti vaxxers
Canada’s strategy was to get as many people a first dose as possible before giving anyone a second dose.
The end of supply bottlenecks and Delta meant that shifted over the summer to accelerate second doses.
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Yeah, that wasn’t a good strategy.
Anyone have data on young kids reactions to COVID vaccines? Similar to adults? Less severe?
Trying to gauge what to expect when my young child eventually gets their shot (Pediatrician is booked until February, and we aren’t in a rush for it).
Disagree, spacing the doses increased protection, and one dose was enough to avoid hospitalization with the pre delta strain.
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My kids had no reaction to either dose. They are 9 and 6.
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Yep I looked at it ages ago. Less severe than adults (I think?), though still some moderate symptoms in the 2nd shot.
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I guess the question is whether partial immunity would/could cause vaccine-resistant strains to emerge, similar to how not finishing your antibiotics causes antibiotic-resistant strains to emerge.
I’m honestly not sure if that’s a thing or not, but we know the virus mutates, so it seems like it could be.
Save a thousand lives now but allow the vaccine to mutate in a way that kills a million lives over the next five years would not be a good strategy, certainly.
Snik’s post (at least, as I read it) was about messaging & goalpost moving for returning to “normal,” not necessarily individual health recommendations.
At least in my state, the original goalpost (after the initial “2 weeks” when we “bent the curve”) was availability of a vaccine.
That morphed into an Ahabian Zero-covid pipe dream imposed on all the citizenry.
My kids 8, 6 and 6 have all had their 2nd dose of pfizer. One of the 6 year olds had a fever the next day on the 2nd dose but that’s it.
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Yeah, the strategy was to get as many people with one shot as possible, but they ALWAYS planned to give those people a second shot, they just prioritized people with no protection over those with some protection when the supply of vaccine was very limited. All my Canadian friends knew this, and talked about when they might be able to get the second dose. I have no idea where you got the idea they ever recommended just one.
Yeah, Canada messaged “we’ll get everyone a first dose before any but the very most vulnerable get a second dose”. It was never “you only need one dose and we’ll be back to normal”.
Rather to my surprise, my friends have so-far all described their kids’ reactions as mild. “Kid was a little slow getting out of bed the next day” kind of thing. Maybe it’s because they got a lower dose than adults.
My 12 yo had no side effects at all. My 9 yo had a sore arm the day following the 2nd shot.
My kids are 8 and 10 and just had sore arms for about a day. No other effects.
How long after the shot did it happen? Sounds exactly like what my son is going through right now, minus the IV. But we’re not sure what is allergic reaction was. Might have been booster but symptoms didn’t hit til 10 days later, could have been a spider bite he doesn’t recall getting bitten but had marks that could have been, or it could have been food allergy he didn’t know about.
But at any rate he crashed hard coming off Prednisone and had to cancel business trip and is staying at out place this week.
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Dang, YT, that’s rough! Hope he’s feeling better soon!
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