I’ll hopefully have my 2nd within the next hour or so, so I voted a little early…
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You may be able to move it yourself. Give it a try.
(Or just start over.)
Rand Paul is waiting for more research before getting vaccinated after having recovered from COVID.
https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-talk-shows/554918-rand-paul-im-not-getting-vaccinated
I’m still on the fence.
Seriously??? Dude is an MD.
I’m disappointed. 
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Of course, the question that I would like to have seen him answer is: “if you hadn’t had COVID and developed some level of natural immunity, do you think you would be getting the vaccine?”
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How is this remotely surprising? He has always put political expediency over everything else. He’s not his father. He doesn’t care about public health, he care about always increasing his political power.
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About what?
However, the Kentucky senator told Catsimatidis that until he sees evidence suggesting that immunity from the vaccine is better than natural immunity, he’s not going to get vaccinated.
“Until they show me evidence that people who have already had the infection are dying in large numbers or being hospitalized or getting very sick, I just made my own personal decision that I’m not getting vaccinated because I’ve already had the disease and I have natural immunity,” Paul said.
Eye-Doctor Paul: that is not how a cold virus works. Cold viruses mutate. You might have "natural immunity for some forms of COVID, but not all forms, especially in those that have not been created.
Guess #1: he is up for re-election in 2022, needs Trumpsters to keep him in office.
EDIT: hey, I’m right about him up for re-election in 2022!
Just checked the calendar and I’ll be round 2 a week from Thursday. For now I remain in an elite group of 7%ers!
About whether I will get the vaccine before they tell me that my natural immunity is useless.
As Lucy has mentioned, at some point it will probably come out that those who recovered from COVID really only need a booster to maintain/enhance their immunity rather than the full course. And probably about the same time, the CDC/vaccine manufacturers will announce that those who have been fully vaccinated need a booster as well. And I’m guessing that the boosters will probably not be fully paid for by the government. That is the point at which I will probably undergo the full government funded vaccine regimen and then have 12 to 18 months before I have to pay for a booster.
From the stories I have heard up to now, natural immunity seems to be nearly as good as the vaccines.
You are worried about the cost of the booster?! Do you have a job? Do you have health insurance?
I’ve wondered about the boosters. I’m good with getting a vaccine to end the pandemic etc etc etc, but I’d definitely be less onboard with getting the flu vaccine every year if it made me briefly sick after getting it. If COVID booster is the same I can’t imagine being super keen to run out and get it, especially if COVID’s mortality goes down over time.
Depends how often they are needed. I feel sick every time I get a tetanus booster. I ache all over and feel crappy for a day. I do it, but I don’t look forward to it. But it’s only every 5-10 years.
And I’ve been putting off the shingles vaccine for the same reason. Due to my medical history, I’m at less risk for shingles and at more risk for an unpleasant reaction than the public at large. Which, I guess, is similar to having had covid and debating the covid vaccine.
But I’m not worried about the financial cost of either of them. My employer-provided insurance generally picks up vaccines with no co-payment or deductible. Even though I have a high deductible in general.
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“Stories”?
Here’s a “story” about a study:
Another:
Another:
This quote within, bolded by me:
Studies of the mRNA vaccines suggest that one dose may offer between 50 to 80 percent protection against symptomatic COVID-19, though more data is needed, said Boslett. “We know you get some amount of protection after one dose of the vaccine or after infection with the virus, but we don’t know in either case how long that protection lasts,” she said. Some cases of reinfection have been reported after three to six months, so the protection from one dose of the vaccine also may wane in that timeframe.
“However, when you get the second dose of the vaccine, you’re further training your immune system,” said Boslett. “You’re strengthening that response from the antibody-producing B cells and you’re also activating T memory cells that stick around for much longer.” Getting both doses of the vaccine means your body is shown this spike protein multiple times in a short duration. “So that immune response might be bigger, better and longer lasting than just getting the infection one time,” she said.
Because the booster effect is so important, Boslett adds that this is why people who have had COVID-19 are still recommended to get the vaccine.
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That’s fair, yeah if it was a once every 5 year thing (especially if they could pack a few in there) then I wouldn’t look forward to it but just get on with it. With the flu vaccine I’m keen to get it every year because it’s a great deal, small prick and slightly sore arm and probably don’t get flu. If I had a sleepless night and a headache/fever each time I probably wouldn’t be so keen.
But agreed, financial cost isn’t really a factor. I mean how much could a vaccine cost, $10?
No, I would not have to pay out of pocket for the vaccine, but I have been in government and I work in insurance, I understand how those things work financially.
But no, I can’t imagine cost being a determining factor in my decision about when to get vaccinated, regardless of what I said in my post.
I thought I read something where the government is paying about $20 per shot.
I was trying to do a reference to Arrested Development, although it’s less obvious with a vaccine than a banana
Why would natural immunity be worse at this than the vaccines? His immune system has seen all the epitopes of the virus, not just the 1 or 2 in the synthetic spike protein.
Fortunately for the vaccines, (AFAIK) there haven’t been mutations in the virus spike protein, but if that happens, Dr Paul’s immune system may be better prepared for that type of mutation. (It’s also very possible that a spike-protein mutation would be less viable or less virulent, so maybe a moot point.)
RN. Nice try.
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