From what I can tell, even with the emails verified, there still is not much to the story as it relates to the 2020 election. It seems like it only recently came up when HB was in the news over his taxes.
It’s still a dud that has been hyped up for 18 months by your favorite news sites.
It’s always humorous when people who clearly only subscribe to biased news sites take jabs at people for subscribing to the opposite side’s news sites.
There’s a big-lie approach to “media bias”, where you can just shout over and over again that the media is biased, and people will believe you automatically.
People used to trust the media, for basically no reason. Now they distrust the media, also for no reason.
Well, the media is clearly very biased to the left. Not just news, but the big screen and the little screen. Any reasonable human recognizes that, whether they agree with the bias or not. Similarly, any reasonable human (right or left) recognizes that Fox is biased to the right. These are such common sense statements that people that are more moderate, like myself, can’t begin to understand why they even need to be said. I think it’s hilarious to believe that there is no reason to distrust the media. These last 2 years have made it abundantly clear that you cannot trust these sources that selectively report or suppress details, based on how well it fits their agenda.
The MSM has always been biased. However, I see no clear evidence that it is in any more biased than it was 20 or 30 or 40 or 50 years ago.
And yet people’s trust in it is has plummeted, and as far as I can tell, the only reason for that is the degree to which pundits (and presidents) have shouted and tweeted that it is biased.
If you want to give a specific example, I’d appreciate your thoughts, but I think the “common sense” is exactly how the lie works. You repeat the lie and it feels like common sense.
The word “Media” is plural. Anyone using it otherwise loses credibility to me.
One example is that Bill Maher has essentially been the same guy politically that he’s been since we’ve known him, yet liberals are starting to disown him and conservatives are wondering if he got “red pilled”. That’s just a funny one.
Now, a real reason is based on how the media covered COVID. One example, the media treated lab leak theory as a conspiracy theory and would squash that from even being discussed. It was something that the Idiot in Chief Trump was saying, but that doesn’t mean he was wrong. we obviously still don’t know if that was the case or not, but I remember when John Stewart went on Colbert and talked about it and Colbert was sooooooooooooooooooo uncomfortable. Like, you could not discuss it. Fast forward several months and then it was a clear possibility. At no point could anyone report that people would still get the virus while vaccinated. All of these things would’ve been stripped from facebook, twitter, youtube, etc for misinformation.
Media is a business like any other. They’re profit-seeking and specialize in their own niche. Some of those niches are more politically extreme than others, but it’s just supply and demand. I think the trouble with recently via the internet and then social media reposts is that it helps facilitate demand for media representing more extreme political views.
Previously there just wasn’t the mechanism to make it economic to be some nutcase so you’d just do your AM talk show and sell testosterone supplements. Now you get your Facebook reposts and that drives enough traffic to your website to make your site viable. Economically it’s a great success, the market has created “higher quality” supply to fit the demand.
Can we just talk about one topic? I don’t want to get off tangent. I don’t actually know/care about Bill Maher.
I think the shift in conversation around the Lab Leak Theory is interesting to talk about. And I think it’s interesting to imagine how the MSM would have covered it 20 or 30 years ago. (With or without Trump being around to make things worse.) Would journalists have doubted the scientists more/less? Would journalists have trusted the government more/less? What exactly?
But I’d also be okay with following up with whatever you are saying about vaccines, if you really think it’s true then it’s probably a better example to talk about.
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wrong, Medias is plural. As in “The Medias are all biassed”
With regards to vaccinations and getting the virus, there’s not much to talk about there. A significant amount of people who were vaccinated (myself included) got COVID anyway. Data indicates that those who weren’t had more severe cases, but you couldn’t suggest that the vaccine was anything less than advertised would’ve gotten you booted from social media. Again, I don’t feel the need to debate that the media has been exceedingly untrustworthy. They have lost so much credibility over the last couple of years because more people are paying attention and recognize that they’d rather listen to what the guests on Joe Rogan’s podcast have to say than morons like Don Lemon and Brian Stelter have to say. CNN blew a lot of credibility trying to make Joe Rogan look bad, and all they did was get him more ears to listen to him and make themselves look bad. Whoops.
If you aren’t willing to debate it then why did you post?
You’re not actually disagreeing with me, so we can move on I guess.
I’m pretty out of touch on the stuff you’re talking about. I don’t watch TV pundits, or Bill Maher, or Joe Rogan, or Social Media. I was originally responding to NYT and WaPo, but maybe they don’t matter anymore.
Common sense: If you still got COVID, the vaccine didn’t work.
Data indicates…
We are all smart here. The “data” is plural.
None of the people who listened to Joe Rogan, took his bad COVID advice, and died from COVID are going to complain about Joe Rogan. It was really a win-win type of sell to his audience to get more viewers.
The whole vaccine spin from right wing media was just so stupid. I am not sure what their incentive was other than to try and own the libs (their messaging was also bad). Blah blah ivermectin works, go take hydroxy, what is the point of a vaccine if you still have to wear a mask or not go to a bar. COVID is no worse than the flu, 99% survivable, death counts are inflated. Such a low information stream of views for the sole purpose of proving some liberal politician or media personality wrong. I am fairly convinced after the past two years that this has gone well beyond bias and into a business model of spinning out shit until you find the angle that people emotionally want to latch on to (CRT- OMG!!!) and $$$ from it. Just look at the drift on opinions around Jan 6. We all the saw the same thing on January 6, and almost all had the exact same opinion of it while it happened, but its been one side that twisted itself up into a whole different narrative.
This has been going on for two decades. Maybe four.
I think this is the trouble though, it’s not just “spin from right wing media”. For example to death rate on COVID is < 1% for most age groups, making it safer than flu (most especially as COVID gets on more even footing with flu in terms of therapeutics and vaccines). This is why conservatives tend to make better estimates on the risk of COVID than liberals, despite both being off with extreme news sources.
I think that is more of an individual risk measure, given someone has COVID vs they have influenza. In terms of absolute risk of death from either, COVID is a higher risk for all adult ages given it was much more prevalent, and would be even worse with no mitigating efforts.