I regularly spend time with both, and that decision alone doesn’t make a difference to me.
So those proposing mandates are involved in political theatre wihle those opposing any type of restriction like Di Santis or the more extreme that compare them to Nazism are protecting freedom. Saying that there must be statistical evidence to support mandates is somewhat problematic as you must first have mandates to gather data.
I think most people would at least agree that restrictions can mitigate the rate of transmission and at a time when hospitals treating patients (primarily unvaccinated) are at capacity this is important. Lets go back to March 2020 and assume we would have followed the herd immunity strategy prior to the development of any vaccine. Do you think there would have been more deaths than we have experienced?
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Lets put it another way. There are two crowed subway cars, one for the vaccinated and on for the unvaccinated. Would you be indifferent as to which you got on?
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Yes, but now we have vaccines so everyone who desires to be protected from this virus is protected. We don’t need to further mandate people’s actions to protect people because everyone is as protected as they are ever going to be.
Yes, put me on either I don’t care. Omicron doesn’t seem to care too much about if your were vaccinated either. 73% of the NHL tested positive, and only one player in the entire league is not fully vaccinated.
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I’ll put it another way for you. I regularly work out indoors doing cardio right next to multiple unvaccinated individuals, share weights, give hi fives, etc. I literally don’t care about anyone else’s vaccinated status.
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Good for you. There are people who are health compriomised who do care however. But I guess your position is I don’t care about anyone else other than myself.
What a level headed and definitely totally accurate summary of my position.
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Once again, there are morons who refuse to get vaccinated. Personally I don’t care what happens to them except they are filling up hospitals, and people are being denied treatment for non COVID illnesses because of them..
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Clear me up. Do you oppose any type of COVID restriction or not. If not what types are justifiable?
Citation?
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That’s going to be extremely short term this wave and based on hospitals that are reporting numbers of patients hospitalized with verses for Covid in this wave about half of hospitalized folks with Covid are in the hospital for something else. They just tested positive when they got there. Still I can’t see continuing to have mandates like this. Especially around the vaccination.
I was in favor of some restrictions back before vaccines.
Now? I don’t think they are really doing anything. I’m in favor of no restrictions today.
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COVID restrictions based on vaccination status really have not proven to be all that useful with Omicron.
Other restrictions or public mask mandates to keep hospitals from hitting capacity during a surge still seem to have some benefit, but it is hard to imagine them being all the useful after the Omicron wave is over, unless we have another new 50x more transmissible variant.
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This is false.
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The hospital he went to initially isn’t outfitted for cardiac care, regardless of how many covid patients they have. The closest hospital that has that care was 60 miles away, so going 200 miles via air isn’t particularly different than 60 miles via air. It’s not like they were calling up 43 hospitals one by one, or that he was sitting there in that hospital for days until one opened up. It was a general query for open CCUs and he was airlifted out that same day, and died weeks later. I wouldn’t attribute this death to Covid hospital shortages.
I was scheduled for a surgery this week, and it was just canceled a few days ago because of capacity issues with having an overnight stay in the hospital.
This isn’t something that requires citations. It’s happening all over the place.
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