What age range is middle age?

Jumping off the poll from here:
https://www.wsj.com/health/wellness/middle-age-young-stress-aging-4965bdc7?mod=hp_featst_pos3

Middle age is typically defined as ages 40 to 60. But about 20% of younger people ages 25 to 34 feel middle-aged, according to a study by Horizon Media, a marketing services agency. The average 25-year-old says middle age starts around 37 and ends at about 53. Conversely, the average 65-year-old says it starts at 46 and ends at 62, according to the study.

Both groups mostly agree on the physical signs of middle age: skin changes, aches and pains and worsening eyesight.

“Young people are feeling older and feeling pressure a lot sooner in their lives,” says Tirrell De Gannes, a licensed clinical psychologist at the Thriving Center of Psychology, which surveyed millennials and found that 1 in 10 experienced a midlife crisis around the age of 34.

Studies with obvious results? Younger people who, by definition, haven’t gone through middle age, have an incomplete view of middle age because they cannot look back on their own lives…

There is no evidence that this sentiment from younger adults has changed over time. I could not read the full article due to paywall.

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Shit changes when you hit 40. We all know it’s coming, and we all hold on for as long as we can once we get there.

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When ‘Middle Age’ Arrives in Your 20s

Stress is making young people feel older, with mounting concerns about job security, debt, child-care costs and caregiving

Clare Ansberry

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Clare Ansberry

Dec. 13, 2024 9:00 pm ET

WSJ, ISTOCK

Rachel Green felt middle-aged at 29. That’s about a decade earlier than the traditional start to midlife. She took on more management responsibilities at work—and her hair went gray.

“I don’t want to be out past 10 p.m.,” says Green, a Hollywood, Fla., software engineer, now 38.

People in their 20s and 30s are hitting milestones such as marrying and buying a home later than past generations, but the expectations to do so are creating stress for them. That stress makes them feel older, as do mounting concerns about job security, debt, child-care costs and caregiving for older relatives.

Middle age is typically defined as ages 40 to 60. But about 20% of younger people ages 25 to 34 feel middle-aged, according to a study by Horizon Media, a marketing services agency. The average 25-year-old says middle age starts around 37 and ends at about 53. Conversely, the average 65-year-old says it starts at 46 and ends at 62, according to the study.

Both groups mostly agree on the physical signs of middle age: skin changes, aches and pains and worsening eyesight.

Alexander Walker-Griffin, 27, feels older in part because of his responsibilities as a public official and the loss of his dad when he was a teen.

“Young people are feeling older and feeling pressure a lot sooner in their lives,” says Tirrell De Gannes, a licensed clinical psychologist at the Thriving Center of Psychology, which surveyed millennials and found that 1 in 10 experienced a midlife crisis around the age of 34.

Alexander Walker-Griffin, a council member and former mayor of his hometown of Hercules, Calif., feels older than his 27 years.

“Mentally and emotionally, I feel like I’m 43,” says Walker-Griffin, who lost his father as a teenager.

Issues like the state budget, housing, student debt and public transportation weigh on him. He skips club outings and dresses carefully in case someone posts his photo on social media. It’s not just him or his position, he says. Friends who aren’t in public office but are in competitive fields like technology also feel rushed to get established.

“People feel pushed to do things earlier because there’s so much competition in the workplace and so much competition to buy a house,” he says.

Kate Rarey, a 24-year-old Pittsburgh-based event project manager and freelancer, says she lacks the wisdom of middle-aged and older adults, but shares their concerns.

Kate Rarey worries about retirement and says her age group feels like they have less room for financial and professional errors.

“I worry about retirement, about owning assets, like a home, about having children, my future and my life,” says Rarey. She believes her age group feels like they have less room for financial and professional errors and that stress can make them feel older than they are.

Stress can make young people feel several years older, says Shevaun Neupert, a psychology professor at North Carolina State University. She and other researchers found that 18- to 22-year-olds who said they encountered stressful events at work, home or school described feeling five years older than their actual age.

One of the hallmarks of midlife is being responsible for others, including children, parents and co-workers, says Margie Lachman, a professor of psychology at Brandeis University, who researches lifespan development. Adults typically feel 20% younger than their chronological age, says Lachman, but taking care of kids and older parents while also working full time can make younger people feel middle-aged earlier.

Jewell Young, 29, had his first child at 22 and his second three years later.

“In some ways I feel a lot older and mature being a parent,” says Young, a mental-health clinician in Richland, Wash., and founder of the “Young Dad” podcast. After dropping out of college initially, he returned to school and got a master’s degree. He now follows local politics more closely.

Nicole Kenney felt middle-aged in her late 20s and early 30s due to stresses and social expectations.

“The things I care about have changed,” says Young, who is more comfortable with people who are 35 to 40. He also thinks he looks five years older because his hair has thinned and he has a bald spot.

Nicole Kenney, 41, felt middle-aged in her late 20s and early 30s and began experiencing migraines and sleep disruptions. She attributed that to financial stress, workplace pressures and social expectations.

“The sense of responsibility, especially for Black women, begins much earlier than 40,” says Kenney, as caregiving roles extend beyond immediate family. She started Hey Auntie, a social network connecting young, middle-aged and older Black women to offer support.

At the other end of the age spectrum, more than 1 in 10 adults 65 and older feel middle-aged, according to the Horizon study.

Marc Sigal and his wife, Amy Goldstein, feel younger than their 72 years.

Marc Sigal and his wife, Amy Goldstein, both retired lawyers in Columbus, Ohio, say they feel and look younger than their chronological ages of 72. The couple work out three times a week, travel extensively, socialize with people in their 30s and 40s and dress young. “People think we’re in our late 50s,” says Sigal, who wears Timberland boots and flannel shirts.

Green, the Florida software engineer who felt middle-aged at 29, lost her husband to cancer when she was 33. Trauma ages you, says Green, and gives you a different perspective.

“When you’re young, you have these big dreams and ambitions to change the world and make a name for yourself,” she says. A big part of feeling middle-aged is realizing she doesn’t have the energy for grand things and being comfortable with that. She has a boyfriend, a house, a garden and a good job.

“I don’t miss my younger years,” she says. “I’ve embraced middle aged-ness.”

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Summary of When ‘Middle Age’ Arrives in Your 20s

By Clare Ansberry

  • Younger Generations Feeling Older: Many people in their 20s and 30s report feeling middle-aged due to stress from job pressures, debt, child-care costs, caregiving, and societal expectations. This sense of aging is occurring about a decade earlier than traditional definitions of middle age (40–60 years).
  • Perceived Middle Age by Generations: A study shows younger adults (25–34) believe middle age starts at 37, while older adults (65+) think it begins at 46. Physical signs like aches, skin changes, and vision decline are commonly associated with this stage.
  • Stress-Induced Aging: Responsibilities such as managing finances, careers, and caregiving make young adults feel older. Stress from professional competition, housing challenges, and retirement worries exacerbates this. Research indicates stress can make young adults feel five years older.
  • Personal Stories:
    • Alexander Walker-Griffin (27): Feels mentally 43 due to career and personal loss. Skips social outings to maintain a professional image.
    • Kate Rarey (24): Worries about retirement, home ownership, and family, feeling a lack of room for mistakes.
    • Jewell Young (29): Parenthood and career challenges contribute to feeling older, despite achievements.
    • Nicole Kenney (41): Experienced middle-aged stress in her late 20s due to financial and caregiving demands, especially as a Black woman.
  • Middle Age at Different Stages: While young adults feel older prematurely, some older adults (65+) report feeling middle-aged or younger, embracing fitness, travel, and youthful lifestyles.
  • Coping and Acceptance: Rachel Green, who felt middle-aged at 29 due to work stress and personal trauma, now embraces the comfort and stability of middle age, focusing on simpler joys like her garden, job, and relationships.

Stress and societal pressures are redefining the experience of aging, compressing middle-aged responsibilities into younger years while extending a youthful mindset into later life.

For tortoises?

Not sure if polling people is a reasonable way to determine this.

Like asking people how they think birds fly.

60 is an absolute ceiling, right? Floor/entry is somewhere near 35 IMO

35 sounds about right, from personal experience. My body basically just started falling apart around then. Arthritis, back pain, I got a freaking bone spur now. :older_man:

Given an average American lifespan of 77.5 years, picking 37 as the start of “middle aged” when 37*2 = 74 is darn realistic.

Especially since they said it “starts at 37” and “ends at 53”, the 25-year-old respondents seem downright generous. There’s probably a bias to call middle age a little older than you really think, to make yourself not so old.

Guys, I’m 34… give me more time!!

Hey, us “old” guys aren’t saying you are middle aged…you are saying it!

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This is odd. I’m near the top end of all the middle aged ranges. I would not describe myself as middle aged. I’m still learning, still active, still outgoing, still working at.maximum effort. The only signs of slowdown are that I get injured easier than I used to, and I heal slower.

As a 38 year old, things started really changing for me at 35-36. I started getting pains that were from just, like, being alive, not from injury or overuse, and they weren’t resolved by a night or two of good sleep.

For the longest time, I FELT young. At 30, I didn’t feel any different than I did at 18, even though I’d gone through pregnancy and childbirth and all that. Now, I do not feel young, I feel my age, and sometimes even older.

So to hear that things really turn at 40 worries me. Maybe I’m just an early bloomer.

This thread has me mourning my youth

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500-1500 CE

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I feel middle aged (not old) at 57. Although I often refer to myself as old. My hair is greying but when I look in the mirror I see blonde. I think I see what I expect to see?

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For some it is 40, others 50. But no matter what, there are ways to mitigate or delay the inevitable. It will take a concerted effort including a more appropriate diet, exercise, and having a community to lean on for help. One cannot just keep doing the same routine and expect to feel the way they used to.

It’s even worse for women when hormones plummet.

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Absolutely. It’s a shame that women are caught off guard even when they think they are prepared. The medical community and peers need to do a better job of educating (their fellow) women.

Googled median age to get 38.5, so either side of that? (37 to 40?).

Median age for adults (18+) is around 50 - so 40 to 60 might work.